Unofficial SteamDRM Discussion #27

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:37 pm

I have not got the HD dlc installed (mainly because mods on the Nexus are still of a higher quality that that of Bethesda's) and steam has not auto downloaded it for me, I fail to see the problem
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Vincent Joe
 
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:34 pm

I have not got the HD dlc installed (mainly because mods on the Nexus are still of a higher quality that that of Bethesda's) and steam has not auto downloaded it for me, I fail to see the problem

with a community made hi-rez/HD pack there is often some means to disable/remove the pack if the player wishes to do so, but with this official pack there doesn't seem to be any means to just try it out to see if it's to my liking or not, so it can become a way for the unsuspecting to end up with an unplayable game.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:19 pm

I have not got the HD dlc installed (mainly because mods on the Nexus are still of a higher quality that that of Bethesda's) and steam has not auto downloaded it for me, I fail to see the problem

If you don't have the plugin and BSA files in you data directory, it will the next time you check the game files. And for sure the next time you install it.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:18 pm

A small win for the "used software" market as it applies to online purchases within the EU:

According to an anolysis by Yves Bot, Advocate General of the European Court of Justice, the following course of action is perfectly legal in the EU:

* Buy a software online
* Download it from the distribution channel provided by the rightholder (or a third party which is doing the distribution on the rightholder 's behalf)
* Use it
* Sell the serial key/licence to use it to someone else, who then downloads the software the same way

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX%3A62011CC0128%3AEN%3AHTML

One important quote:

83. I consider that, in circumstances such as those in the main proceedings, the rightholder has received appropriate remuneration where he has been paid in return for the grant of a right to use a copy of a computer program. Allowing him to control the resale of that copy and, in that event, to demand further remuneration, on the pretext that the copy was fixed on a data carrier by the customer after having been downloaded from the internet, instead of being incorporated by the rightholder in a medium which was put on sale, would have the effect not of protecting the specific subject-matter of the copyright but of extending the monopoly on the exploitation of that right.

Short version: It doesn't matter if you buy your software on CD/DVD or from an on-line store; you retain the right to re-sell it.

Now, this isn't a legal ruling yet. However, in almost all cases the ECJ followed such advice in their rulings, so the chances are good it'll become official in a few months.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:55 pm

A small win for the "used software" market as it applies to online purchases within the EU:

According to an anolysis by Yves Bot, Advocate General of the European Court of Justice, the following course of action is perfectly legal in the EU:

* Buy a software online
* Download it from the distribution channel provided by the rightholder (or a third party which is doing the distribution on the rightholder 's behalf)
* Use it
* Sell the serial key/licence to use it to someone else, who then downloads the software the same way
For that to work those digital distributors would have to change their system, is that part of the law too? As it stands, there is no way to transfer your license to someone else once you've used it on Steam.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 1:11 am


For that to work those digital distributors would have to change their system, is that part of the law too? As it stands, there is no way to transfer your license to someone else once you've used it on Steam.

As soon as it is the official ruling, they'll have to change their system - though it might take a separate court order or three to force them to.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:29 pm

Interesting article I came across: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Valve-Allows-Banned-Players-Games,15447.html

Interesting move on Valve's part and should prevent more mishaps like that story someone posted a while ago about that guy who was banned and lost all his games because Paypal performed a charge-back.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:38 am

I'd say that's a step in the right direction.

They shouldn't have the right to take all the games you bought anyway, even if you break their ToS. Maybe if the only games they had were their own, but that's not the case with Steam.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:57 pm

I'd say that's a step in the right direction.

They shouldn't have the right to take all the games you bought anyway, even if you break their ToS. Maybe if the only games they had were their own, but that's not the case with Steam.

I agree with you. Let me preface this by saying, what I'm about to say is not something that I think is Right. I'm only expressing the way it Is, and therefore why they can do this. That said:

Video games for the PC are not currently regarded (in most, but not all, countries) as products. In other words, they aren't like books, cds, or movies where you actually own a physical thing. Video games are considered a service, which is something that you are allowed to use, but not own. Sorta like Netflix.

This is why they can (could) block access to your games. They weren't taking things from you, they were cutting off your access to their service. Legally speaking, this is exactly what they are allowed to do if you violate their Terms of Service.

I'm not saying that's the way it should be. Again, I'm only describing why it works the way it does.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:25 am

to me Morrowind was a product as was Oblivion. I may not own the legit copies (retail discs) I have in my possession but like a movie DVD they don't require an outside system to function (Netflix) but Skyrim & all retail titles that require online DRM are like DVD's that require Netflix so those are the "service" games.

hmm the gaming industry is messed up IMHO

note: it makes sense that MMO's are a service & as such I didn't want comment negatively on them
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:55 pm

Well i got my bill from my provider and it cost me 50 extra bucks by the time steam got done with me with all the updates and such cause i went over my data cap...THANK YOU STEAM.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:41 pm

Well i got my bill from my provider and it cost me 50 extra bucks by the time steam got done with me with all the updates and such cause i went over my data cap...THANK YOU STEAM.

You have to set it to offline mode. You have to do that. Steam tells you it will download updates if it is connected to the internet. You know it will do this.

So disconnect it from the internet and it will stop.

I'm not talking about the checkbox for keeping games up to date. I'm talking about disconnecting steam from the internet connection of your computer entirely. Off - Line. It has an offline mode. You need to use it or it will be in online mode.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:32 pm

If you knew you were over the cap, why didn't you just stop/pause the download? :huh:
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:01 pm

Yep i was in offline mode but went to online mode to check my game achivements as i was under the impression that you needed to go online to do that. It would still be nice if we had the right to download or not download updates as WE see fit instead of them being crammed down our throats...like steam saying that this update 1.67 is available for download or there is a new patch out for Skyrim ..would you like to download it now. I paid for the game and it should be my right wheather i want to update game or not . Heck Windows dont even force updates on you they tell you there is this update and that update available and you can download at your own convience.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:53 am

If you knew you were over the cap, why didn't you just stop/pause the download? :huh:

i did i waited a week, in which i couldnot play my game...it was going to run my cap over anyways no matter what i did i have a 5GB cap and generally use 3.5 to 5GB a month. The thing that pissed me off (like stated above) i didnot have the option of not downloading the update.

Oh and i did a complete reinstall of steam and skyrim and the new updates also and i dont have any issues with the new patch like a lot of people are haveing.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:26 pm

Well i got my bill from my provider and it cost me 50 extra bucks by the time steam got done with me with all the updates and such cause i went over my data cap...THANK YOU STEAM.

There's a simple solution: don't buy games (or any other software) which automatically forces you to update whenever it feels like it.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:36 pm

There's a simple solution: don't buy games (or any other software) which automatically forces you to update whenever it feels like it.
Amen :bowdown:
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:29 pm

I still believe Video Games should NEVER require the internet to play unless that game is some sort of MMO like 'World of Warcraft'.

That is how I believe it should be and I am still mad that Bethesda actually did this deal with Steam.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:41 pm

I still believe Video Games should NEVER require the internet to play unless that game is some sort of MMO like 'World of Warcraft'.

That is how I believe it should be and I am still mad that Bethesda actually did this deal with Steam.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3160-AGCB-2555
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:57 pm

I still believe Video Games should NEVER require the internet to play unless that game is some sort of MMO like 'World of Warcraft'.

That is how I believe it should be and I am still mad that Bethesda actually did this deal with Steam.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3160-AGCB-2555

IMHO Steam is still a poor fit for singleplayer games & many gamers & since there is no legit pc alternative means. I wont get steam only games like new Vegas or Skyrim
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:03 am

IMHO Steam is still a poor fit for singleplayer games & many gamers & since there is no legit pc alternative means. I wont get steam only games like new Vegas or Skyrim
Me neither and I was really interested in New Vegas. But I guess Beth will have to manage without my money.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:22 pm

Me neither and I was really interested in New Vegas. But I guess Beth will have to manage without my money.

I was fully ready to buy the collector's & the GOTY I thought was assured at the time so that's at least two purchases (I likely would have bought a second GOTY/Ultimate for my offline brother) beth lost out on
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:31 pm

I was fully ready to buy the collector's & the GOTY I thought was assured at the time so that's at least two purchases (I likely would have bought a second GOTY/Ultimate for my offline brother) beth lost out on
It can go one of two ways from here I think. Either people will come to accept that every game has to be registered and confirmed from time to time online or more and more will stop buying those games. Most likely there will still be games that don′t require this stuff and hopefully those games will win territory.

I know they will in my book, and with my money.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:24 pm

It can go one of two ways from here I think. Either people will come to accept that every game has to be registered and confirmed from time to time online or more and more will stop buying those games. Most likely there will still be games that don′t require this stuff and hopefully those games will win territory.

I know they will in my book, and with my money.
I agree & I noticed something recently when I was checking out games on Amazon. it seems Drm-free titles don't seem to be as expensive as those that have DRM generally
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:05 pm

Why can't Bethesda just make a version of Skyrim without Steam? It can't be that hard, can it?
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