But if we buy the logic that game companies should maximize their revenue regardless of any entitlement to fair use for the consumer, then the next step is timed games. You will be charged $50 up front for a game, and then $5 per week. A company is certainly entitled to do that, but you can't expect the customers to be happy about it.

However this doesn't actually prevent people from trading games with their friends. If they simply re-packaged it as "bonus" content for first time users rather than content being taken away there would be a lot less angst.

You don't own the code, but YOU DO OWN THE DISCS. In the absence of a contract saying otherwise, you have every legal right to trade the physical product.

Yep so you trade the discs but the one who licenses the software has every right to take it back. So go ahead trade the discs but the software will be taken back or locked or what ever the owner of the software (id software) desires.

Like the person above said, no one is stopping you from trading the discs. Do whatever you want from them. Just don't expect the buyer to own the license to use the game since it wasnt yours to sell.

Some of you guys just need to relax and read the posts before you start getting so mad. As stated before, the locked content will be content you will most likely pass over during single player anyways. Nothing too special. And the items you can salvage inside these locked areas are most likely available elsewhere in the game. The game developers are not greedy for having worked so hard, and then still having Gamestop make more money off the game then they do, because people don't want to buy the game new. Plus, if you really want to enjoy the full game, buying it new would be the best option even IF they didn't have the locked content. You never know when a used game is going to become useless. (See what I did there?) Anyways, would you rather miss out on a few little items and have a game that might not last long enough for you to even encounter those items, or buy the game brand new and get all the added bonuses? I mean, if you're on this site, you're probably eager to buy the game, and it's not gonna be cheap on store shelves even if they're used until more than a year later. Halo:Reach is still being sold at gamestop for 30 bucks +. So, I'm pre-ordering the game. Think about it guys.

They lost my business.
I was a 20 year customer.
I wasnt even that impressed with the gameplay. it looked pretty boring to be honest, but I was a loyal IDsoftware customer, So I was going to buy it reguardless.

But if they are going to start renegging my purchase, not honoring my right to sale my disc. no problem rofl.

I wont buy it.

I dont care how small the infraction is. nor do i care to go look up how "small" the issue is.

I purchased every ID Doom game to date, and beat them all on hard with nothing but a shotgun, and no diaper flashlight mod.

They lost a 20 year customer by doing @#$ like this.

They dont care.
I dont care

I hope the trivial benefit they recieve was worth losing a 20 year customer.

Ill rent the game or buy a used copy.
MAYBE

but tbh, it looked boring.

Although I respect the work that went into the product immensely.
I was going to buy the game just because of how much passion was put into the product, the level of quality that im sure IDsoftware would have once again produced.
Thats the only reason I was going to buy it.

but if they are going to gew it.
Screw it


I was going to buy Elder scrolls 5 also. I was looking forward to that.

but then i remembered that, they revoked my rights to install Elder scrolls 4 after 5 installations of my "fileplanet purchase".
fileplanet or bethesda, (Either one, it matters NOT), limited my installations to five. and after that it stpoped working.

I paid full price on DAY ONE .

JUST TO SUPPORT BETHESDA for quality games.

I will not be buying Elder scrolls5, because my loyalty was dis'honored.

Its simple. and I enjoy doing so

(((( Thrilled to be putting this thread at the top of the list yet again))))

Its a gamble will they lose more from the few who decide not to pick up the game or more from secondary sales, I'm betting secondary sales especially after seeing how most petitions go look at MW2 how many people signed petitions due to the lack of dedicated servers and look at how many still played the game. I'm sure theres a few of you who won't pick up Rage but I bet theres plenty more who'll end up buying new or picking up the pass to unlock the content if either id or Bethesda didn't think so they wouldn't be doing it. I really don't see the problem with doing this or having install limits or other forms of drm that don't adversely affect the user seriously only being able to install a game x number of times before you need to call the company to delete unused accounts adversely affects you how much?

I'm surprised to see how many people here are angry about this. One would assume that they were not planning on getting a used copy anyway.

I think it's fair. If you buy a used item for a reduced price, it's almost always a lesser product. Like with cars. That's why you pay the lower price. Software has been the exception since the game itself is not affected by wear and tear, as long as the disc still works. So people can get the same game for a lower price, while the game companies suffer because they're not getting a cent out of it.

At least buying/selling second handed console games is still possible, it's already impossible for many games on PC due to Steamworks.

I dont really understand the complaint to be honest with you guys. If you can only afford half the price of a product then i think your only entitled to a portion of it not the whole thing, for example if you can only afford the engine of a car why should the company give you the whole car?. Its just ridiculous to complain about these things dont you think, you get what you pay for. The price for the full game is set, and if you pay less than that then i think its only logical that you get less aswell, its not even that much content locked out, its just random sewers that have no connection to the story. Seriously guys, wer grown/matured people, why are we complaining about stupid things.

Well I don't care since I never buy used games.

It's actually kind of weird, almost as if it feels wrong to get a game that isn't 100% intact without the slighest scratch on the cover.

drama queen much

I think it really depends on how you approach the situation. There are games I might be interested in, but I would never buy them at 50€ or even 70€ for consoles. That price just exceeds my maximum willingness to pay. I would want to buy the full product, just not at the set price. If I, as a consumer, can find the product at a price I am willing to pay, without breaking any laws, I believe I am entitled to do so.

Companies want to sell at the highest possible price, consumers want to buy at the lowest possible price. Consumers don’t blame companies for wanting a good price for their products, so I think companies also shouldn’t try to blame (or hinder) consumers for wanting (or getting) the same thing.

I get the feeling the only reason they enforce this measure is because they want additional profit. I really don’t buy the whole “Gaming companies are doing it because it’s necessary”-story.

I buy the big ones like Rage on day 1 so not an issue

Renting & buying Rage used during the launch period would be a sin

Is there an unlock for purchasers of second-hand copies to buy? Similar to the ones that lock out online play once the game has changed users... a 'network pass' I've seen it called.

Oh, the sewers - don't they act as short-cuts between locations, rather than just being extra little missions / areas...?

The reason is because games take alot more resources to develop now, think about it, it took 5 years to develop this game, 5 years of work and everysingle day they pay their people for the work their doing, that is alot of money and for the company to keep on going upwards instead of heading to bankruptcy they have to set a smart price in order to get profit.

"so I think companies also shouldn’t try to blame (or hinder) consumers for wanting (or getting) the same thing. "

They're not, all they are saying is , if you pay half the price then wel give you half the product ( its actually great people can even do that these days, before if you cant pay the price set then you cant have any of it.). In this case its not even half the product thats locked out, its just tiny parts of it (sewers) that dont even affect the story. I think it is actually generous of them to do this, you pay less for the product but they still give you the full game basicaly, the sewer areas locked out are not important to the game at all, you will still be getting 60 dollars worth of content. People should be thankful.

Yes, there are factors that have increased the cost of producing video games. But there also factors that have increased the profitability of producing video games (For one, the gaming-market has gotten a lot bigger the past decade). As I said, I don’t buy the “because it’s necessary”-story.

A company saying: ‘you pay half the price, you get half the product’ vs consumers saying: ‘if I can get a cheaper price because I am not willing to pay your set price, I should be able to do so’ is somewhat like a ‘the glass is half empty/half full’-discussion. Both parties have a point from their own point of view. What really bothers me is that companies are trying to take away the power, from me as a consumer, to sell something I bought. Something that I could previously do, legally. Companies(or some people here on these forums) seem to think that buying/selling used games is an injustice. I don’t think it is, and neither does the law(I assume).

And to clarify, I think RAGE will be well worth the starting price. But stunts like this make me reconsider my purchase, out of principle.

they are not taking away anyone rights to sell the game. You can go ahead and sell the game. They are just informing people that unless you buy it new, some content will likely be locked.

This also is not about the Company saying "if you pay half the price,you get half the product" as that would imply that you are still paying the company for it. Your not paying them any money, so you are not a customer of theirs. Your a customer of whatever used game retailer you bought it from. It's seems kinda strange to demand that you get the same treatment as someone who bought the product from them through a retailer when you didn't pay them anything. As a consumer you have the right to decide if you want to buy it at it's current price and condition. If you want to buy it at a used price and a used condition, then you are agreeing to accept the consequences such a choice brings. In this case they have informed the public that such a condition results in some content being locked. You now have the choice of accepting that and still buying it used because you want the game at a cheaper price or buying the game new and not having that problem.

The law also doesn't think it wrong for them to do things that encourage new game sales vs used games as the video game industry has shown.

Has anoyone challenged a gaming software EULA? the music industry tried and failed with similar schemes and no other media has gotten away with it either. Its illegal in some countries to refuse a service to a product even if the purchaser refuses a part of the service but has paid for it before the disclaimer is announced, german privacy act, canadian trade act, australian privacy act. You dont sign a EULA before you pay but only when you install the game and this will hit a court sooner of later and it will svck for all of us as any decision filters down.

Depending on your legal jurisdiction you can waive rights legally but the entire world isnt the same so read your own act or law.

Devs make most of their money off of the initial release of the game. They arent going to be making tons of money 3 months down the road, because everyone will have already bought it. Locking content on a used version is just stupid. While they may not be locking much, its still greedy, and a bad plan overall, as it wont boost sales or anything. It would be like buying a house full in cash, but having the construction company own one of the rooms as a storage unit. Its stupid.

What part of being a Business isn't greedy? Their point is to make money and since they don't see any money from used game sales, why should they care about what people who are too greedy with their own money(in the company's view) think about them. The point of this content is to encourage people to buy it new. It is something to make people who might have bought it used decide that this game is better off being bought new so they can play that content.

Good thing this game in coming out on consoles, or ID wouldn't make any money from it at all given how pissy and stupid PC gamers are about all this.

The thing about video games is basically when you buy the game you are buying the license to play the game - just like buying a license to use Microsoft Office or other programs. You do not "own" the game only the right to play your copy. Many copies are starting to do this. While yes, I don't agree with the idea - it is still their right to do this. I actually buy a lot of pre-owned cideo games on consoles, and only if I am certain I will like them will I buy a game new.

EA does this heavily now and I no longer buy EA games, though I bought very few in the first place.

I will be buying Rage new, it's one I know I will enjoy. Of course in many cases the the company sells a DLC code that unlocks this content. I have not seen anything about that on Rage, but I may have overlooked it.

I do understand a bit when people get used games, it, in theory 'hoses' the publisher out of money. But keep in mind that many people who get games used, cannot get them new for budget reasons (when I was unemployed for the first time in 15 years, I hit that same wall). Only to sting the end-user with a pass kinda svcked for me.

Now - the renting part, I can understand. I do think there should be at the minimum for rentals (you listening greedy people?) a 5 day trial code. Sure drive us to your website to get it, maybe even have us do a questionnaire, but don't blacklist people for not getting it new out of the gate. What are you afraid of if you're IP and game rock? I mean if you publish b-rate games and you know deep down inside it svcks, ok, sure I get that move. What are you afraid of?

Now, while I hope the unemployment bug never bites me again - if it does, I'll be getting used. Now the funny thing is for all the used games I get, I've but with one exception gotten additional DLC to help support and offset the 'used' thing.

Greed can kill any industry, keep that in mind.

All has pretty much been said but as an internerd I obviously have to say it. Want my 2 cents? Well if you get it at a discount you won't get all of it.
lame, but had to be done. moving on.
No one can "really" make you pay for anything. Forget the immature examples like government, parents, etc... The only way a company makes money is by you buying a product from them for a price that the market determines. There is a standard to be sure for most games, but that's a different matter. See the only way a company makes money is when you buy it. You buy a new game, most of it goes to the creators/developers/etc... some to the store.
When you buy it used, it all goes to the store.

You see the problem. So what does id want to to do? Obviously make money.
So how can they do that?
Marketing? Shoddy-at-best, great interviews though.
Hard work?: Done, but that's not a guarantee.
Increase incentive to buy new?: Now this is the guarantee. Most gamers, like most people are stupid. They understand the concept of "bang for your buck" very well though. So what do you do? Offer bonuses for pre-ordering? Hell, I know the rat-rod buggy and the double barrel shotgun and other extras may not do anything, but damn it... I want it and it's the same price? Why not? Does it add anything "really"? No. But "it's the illusion Michael" (AD reference necessary).
If that fails what else? Plan B. Create a DLC-like portion of the game that doesn't effect anything else in the game, before it comes out and say it's a bonus for new copies (or pre-ordering). Like Mass Effect 2 did. Brilliant. Except "id" should have marketed it as extra DLC for buying it new instead of blocking it off, or at least not admit to blocking it off. I think that's where the steam is coming from, the fact that it's right there.
That said, they put a lot of effort into a game, most developers do. You can't honestly blame 'em for trying to persuade you to buy it new can you?
If someone wanted to buy something from you or the guy next to you, who do you want to have the money at the end of the day? Okay I'm done on that point.

Last thing is, if you don't feel the extra mission/area or the anarchy edition is worth buying it new and paying it full price... so be it. You felt that way before they announced this. Brand loyalty or not, maybe you feel betrayed and I'm not saying you do or don't have that right but it's your choice based on they choice id made or was forced on them by Bethesda.
So it may not bother you or it may, but to some it will be the deciding factor for them. Even though it's petty, it's true and in this economy, id needs it.

singleplayer content locked will be the shortcuts sewer access - that means you'll have to walk distances - and soon it'll be pain in the leg and you'll have to purchase that 5$ ticket to get access:p

that's how i understood it.


not a big deal at all - i buy games and i never sell them ? I buy only the games i know i will play. This year i bought only 1 game: Rage. BF3 has NO mod tools so - that falls off the chart of mine.