Vampire Lord form svcks :(

Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:10 pm

I wanted a bow that actually functioned like a bow, if I shoot something in the eye, bar a dragon, it should die. If I shoot a Falmer square in the mouth, if shouldn't shrug it off and run at me, it should screech, grab its face and crumple in a twitching mess.

Mmmm, this is what movies have taught to be realistic. A car also won't explode every time it drives over a cliff. There are medical cases of people getting all sorts of objects jammed into their head or body even larger than an arrow and surviving. While yes, there are some that will crumple from the pain, it's not true that shooting something with one arrow will kill it. Go out and shoot a bear with an arrow and see how things go. Yikes! :bolt:
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Nitol Ahmed
 
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:43 am

Keep in mind I'm level 79 and I have a upgraded Dragon Bow which does 2000 damage and I have legendary Nightingale armor that gives me 9000 armor so when I say Vampire Lord form svcks I mean it svcks when you become godly.
How? I lose all my equipment stats, which keeps me alive vs lvl 79 enemies and in exchange I get abilities that don't do very well vs such beefy opponents.

Are you telling me Vampire Lords don't deal 2000 damage and have an armor rating of 9025798437892??

I'm shocked. What the hell was Bethesda thinking when they made them?
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:15 pm

Are you telling me Vampire Lords don't deal 2000 damage and have an armor rating of 9025798437892??

I'm shocked. What the hell was Bethesda thinking when they made them?

Hmmmmmm....Im not sure I can taste the sarcasm just yet :P
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:19 pm

out of curiosity OP are you using Skyrim Redone?
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:57 pm

Keep in mind I'm level 79 and I have a upgraded Dragon Bow which does 2000 damage and I have legendary Nightingale armor that gives me 9000 armor so when I say Vampire Lord form svcks I mean it svcks when you become godly.
How? I lose all my equipment stats, which keeps me alive vs lvl 79 enemies and in exchange I get abilities that don't do very well vs such beefy opponents.

Forgive me, but what is the point in having weapons and armor that high!?!?

#1) - The armor cap in Skyrim is "567", so armor with a 9000 rating deflects exactly the same amount of damage as armor with a 567 rating (80% Maximum damage deflection). So anything above 567 is completely useless! See here> http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Armor

#2) - What is the point in having weapons that do 2000 damage!?!? I play on master difficulty as Skyrim is a pretty easy game as it is, I made the mistake with my first character getting his armor up to 567 as soon as I could and the weapons too, by around level 40 I had swords 400-500 damage and bows well over 650...... but jesus it got boring quickly.
I have 2 characters over level 70 now, one of them is 71 and the other is maxed at 80 and both are archer/warriors, but yet I don't upgrade my armor above 450, and I keep my weapons fairly low, daggers @ 75-90, swords @ 110-125 and bows no higher than 175 because whats the point in playing if nothing challenges you in anyway, with maybe the exception of ancient or legendary dragons!
But still surely that makes your game INCREDIBLY easy and very boring!?!? It's much more of a fun game when you have to play with a bit of strategy and pick your fights carefully!

Just my opinion.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:55 pm

How do you even get you weapons that strong ive got equipment that boosts my smithing and and i take potions making it maybe 100% stronger plus my smithing is 100 and all perks bought and the strongest ive got my dragon bone sword is 152, so how can you get damages of like 1000-2000?
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:30 pm

http://www.gamesas.com/user/832898-shinobiex3/, yeah I'm on PC
http://www.gamesas.com/user/802354-videogamemage/, I stack blacksmithing/enhcantment gear with potions and then enchant with fortify archery xD
http://www.gamesas.com/user/732618-keldrath/ You don't get the stat boosts. I had no armor rating (I die really fast without my 80% damage reduction) and I don't have my bow which means I don't one shot stuff. I may or may not get stats boosts from enchantments, I haven't looked at that aspect.

Anyhow yeah, Vampire Lord from, while cool has zero scalability and makes me weak. I'd rather just have access to those powers in my normal form.

Your problem is that you created a character that wasn't magic based and turned him into a vampire Lord. That is like saying steve Urkle isn't a svcky football player. Well... duh!
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:15 am

So hang on, you create an overpowered character, then you mod the game so that you can give that overpowered character a challenge (at least last I checked, enemies don't level up to 79). Now you're complaining because the developers didn't create a Vampire Lord form that scales to your overpowered character and his overpowered enemies?
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:51 pm

How do you even get you weapons that strong ive got equipment that boosts my smithing and and i take potions making it maybe 100% stronger plus my smithing is 100 and all perks bought and the strongest ive got my dragon bone sword is 152, so how can you get damages of like 1000-2000?

There is a "Restoration Glitch" which very easily enables you to make monster potions even really early in the game, such as smithing potions that increase your improving weapons and armor by 1000% or 10'000% or 100'000% or 1million%........ and even higher. So you can in a matter of 60 seconds make a smithing potion that would improve a bow to 5million damage rating! It's a silly glitch really that should have been patched long ago :-\
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:47 am

On a side note
I was wondering if a PC user could tell me how much magic per second vampiric grip uses? I really need to know so I can invest enough points of magicka into my character without making them physically sub-par. Thanks.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:00 pm

So hang on, you create an overpowered character, then you mod the game so that you can give that overpowered character a challenge (at least last I checked, enemies don't level up to 79). Now you're complaining because the developers didn't create a Vampire Lord form that scales to your overpowered character and his overpowered enemies?

I think that about covers it... :confused:
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:08 pm

I would just ditch all your stuff. Remake more stuff without using Alchemy then make weapons that don't do 2000 damage. I really don't understand the create OP gear play on insane difficulty when you can create normal gear and play on adept. I have a armour rating on my Imperial of 330, my sword does 60 and bow 130 with all arrows and enchants. I play on adept, this is enough for me to have a fun fight without using a potion once for healing. I could play on expert if I wanted but I don't because my gear is powerful but not too OP, I think. When I turn into a Vampire Lord I feel invincible, also you get a bonus by 200 to health, stamina and magicka. You would then have 650 health, how you can feel underpowered...
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:17 pm

I think the Vampire Lord form is underwhelming but not for the reasons BabelFish said. If something in a game breaks your use of exploits, you shouldn't go and consider that gamebreaking. There are plenty of reasons why the Vampire Lord svcks (pun not intended): they can't loot enemies (though that's been modded), they're forced into Third-Person perspective, it restricts playstyles (Melee or Magic, no stealth), has a seriously limited number of offensive abilities — and most of them prevent leveling
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:04 am

I wanted a bow that actually functioned like a bow, if I shoot something in the eye, bar a dragon, it should die. If I shoot a Falmer square in the mouth, if shouldn't shrug it off and run at me, it should screech, grab its face and crumple in a twitching mess.

And herein lies the problem. Skyrim does not have locational damage like Fallout does so even if you hit an enemy on their little toe it does the same damage as a headshot. This fact has always made me steer away from using bows in Skyrim. Somehow magic builds don't seem as bad although it's hard to back that up when you see a person running around unimpeded with an ice shard through their head. Just as well Ice damage isn't all that useful. Anyway, It appears to me that you would much prefer games like Fallout 3 & NV over Skyrim given your description of the way you like to play the game and how you wish it would react. I understand your grievances but when you have modded the game as extensively as you say you have it's hardly fair expecting a new DLC to be balanced.

And another thing, do you reload when you get a leg shot insta kill? I mean it's hardly realistic one shotting something in the leg with an arrow now is it?
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:12 am

without serana following you around it seems to be a pretty powerful transformation. Although i can't stand it be in vl in interiors, only putting in 3rd person was dumb.

Actually wouldn't everything seem really weak if you were stripped of you uber equipment? its kinda hard to take you seriously when you complain your not one shotting everything after your cheap sword of restoration loop in vamp lord form
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:53 am

I wanted a bow that actually functioned like a bow, if I shoot something in the eye, bar a dragon, it should die. If I shoot a Falmer square in the mouth, if shouldn't shrug it off and run at me, it should screech, grab its face and crumple in a twitching mess.
I've also modded the spawn rates and the AI to reflect a more realistic approach to Skyrim so please, spare me your judgments.

I just find VL to be lacking, not in "coolness" but in power compared to my armor and weapons. But I'm also geared towards being a ranged assassin-range type, I didn't invest a mass amount in health (I'm at 450 health).

http://www.gamesas.com/user/784250-cicero-the-great/, I don't see how its cheating when I'm simply using full smithing gear with Blacksmith's Elixer. I'm not even using the stacking potions into better alchemy/smithing loop so I can get 10k attack weapons.
[censored]. Why do you have maximum armor rating then? Surely you'd want the same rule for yourself.

It's not lacking, comparing it to your ridiculous playstyle is completely pointless. The game isn't meant to be played like that, the VL form is powerful compared to normal players.

Full smithing gear with blacksmiths elixers? [censored]. You'd need to heavily abuse the restoration glitch to reach 2000 damage with a bow.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:18 pm

Bethesda made the game for people like this. They encourage breaking the game and putting your brain asleep.

I know it's a single player game and people can do whatever,but.......it goes to show the generation of gamers we have now. And that's who bethesda wants to target.

+1, and i thought EA was bad.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:42 am

I hate it for being third-person, same as werewolf. Kept hoping for a first-person mod but I guess that is hard to do.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:16 pm

[censored]. Why do you have maximum armor rating then? Surely you'd want the same rule for yourself.

It's not lacking, comparing it to your ridiculous playstyle is completely pointless. The game isn't meant to be played like that, the VL form is powerful compared to normal players.

Full smithing gear with blacksmiths elixers? [censored]. You'd need to heavily abuse the restoration glitch to reach 2000 damage with a bow.

You really don't. Please, please, please go do the loop before you talk about it. I have and I deduced the equipment was beyond op and ditched it for my bow made with boots, armor, helmet, gloves, ring and necklace with fortify smithing %150 on each with a blacksmith's elixer (+50 to blacksmithing) with a double fortify archery on the bow for a additional 200% damage.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:02 pm

You really don't. Please, please, please go do the loop before you talk about it. I have and I deduced the equipment was beyond op and ditched it for my bow made with boots, armor, helmet, gloves, ring and necklace with fortify smithing %150 on each with a blacksmith's elixer (+50 to blacksmithing) with a double fortify archery on the bow for a additional 200% damage.

Hmm... I thought the max smithing enchant (i'm at 100) is 40%? also you can't add fortify smithing to boots or helm lol and you can't add fortify archery to a bow :P
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:28 pm

You really don't. Please, please, please go do the loop before you talk about it. I have and I deduced the equipment was beyond op and ditched it for my bow made with boots, armor, helmet, gloves, ring and necklace with fortify smithing %150 on each with a blacksmith's elixer (+50 to blacksmithing) with a double fortify archery on the bow for a additional 200% damage.
I'm very aware of the game mechanics, I know how to make weapons dealing huge damage, but I don't because what the hell is the point. You must have used the glitch to make fortify smithing 150% in one enchantment.

Play the way you want to, as long as you enjoy it. But don't make ridiculous threads like this complaining that the balance in the game is out now you overpowered yourself.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:37 pm

How is my character cheated? I don't one-shot everything (even weak dragons take 2+ arrows) and my weapons aren't glitched...but yes, you did get one thing right. Compared to my "1337" character VL form does svck. I rarely die in normal form but the minute I pop out VL form my health drops like a fly because I'm on the hardest difficulty with mods to increase AI intelligence, give dragons better stats/shouts and massively increase the spawns.

For all intensive purposes I'm playing on a "hardcoe+" difficulty and I'm still looking to make it harder without ditching the equipment I worked hard on.



Or 1 Greybeard. Greybeards are op. xD

I don't think I'd say "cheated" as much as I'd say "exploited the system", kind of like the welfare mom with 6 kids who lves in a half million dollar home with her baby daddy and just because she has no job, and no husband, she gets that check every month.

Anyway, point being, you can't get that high by playing normally, ever. You have to, for instance, spam destruction spells somewhere, somehow (as a sword wielding vampire with already OP swords), as well as restoration, alteration, illusion, etc, which you likely never even need and would not NORMALLY use unless you wanted to level. IOW, you're paying the price for grinding versus playing and enjoying the game. Doesn't get more simple than that.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:38 pm

I don't think I'd say "cheated" as much as I'd say "exploited the system", kind of like the welfare mom with 6 kids who lves in a half million dollar home with her baby daddy and just because she has no job, and no husband, she gets that check every month.

Anyway, point being, you can't get that high by playing normally, ever. You have to, for instance, spam destruction spells somewhere, somehow (as a sword wielding vampire with already OP swords), as well as restoration, alteration, illusion, etc, which you likely never even need and would not NORMALLY use unless you wanted to level. IOW, you're paying the price for grinding versus playing and enjoying the game. Doesn't get more simple than that.

I found a way to make it more interesting, but makes VL even svckier.
Im now taking to fighting off 1000% health, 500% attack, 200% shout dragons and I'm fighting them off in groups of 5. There are points I have to use god mode and I'm still losing health...without god mode I'll have a dragon land, grab me with its mouth and toss me around for a insta-kill. 0.0 scary stuff but Im making a dragon bone-yard.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:56 am

Why are you so overpowered? D:
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:00 am

1. How'd you get NIghtingale armor to "Legendary"? Best I can do on special armors like this, smithing maxed with all perks, is "Flawless".
I believe they abuse Alchemy to level their smithing skill over 100
That's not always the case... I've got my Nightingale Armor to Legendary only by using enchanted smithing gear and a smithing skill of 100 and I've never used the alchemy loop\cheat.
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