So I have been reading alot on the dawnguard forums lately about people who are complaining about bethesda bringing in vampire lords because its not in the lore of the game. Now yes they are not mentioned in lore but aren't vampires mostly understood through folklore and legend?. If they were never precedented in history then this has to be their first appearance. Or maybe they somehow had this power the whole time and didnt know it until now and yet its unlocked through some unforeseen force or entity in the game. Yes we all know that ancient vampires did not have wings or the power to change into a lord and if they could why didnt they?

Besides as we all well know they're are many secrets in the world of Tamriel that still remain undiscovered to this present day. It doesn't mean that the world is not subject to a little change every now and then. In Tamriel just from what I understand; everything evolves. In every elderscrolls game each creature in-game has looked different depending on what province you are in (and yes I know just to add a new feel to each game). And I think now with the coming of the vampire lords in the next dlc we will be seeing the vampires evolving into a new breed of terror that will change our view about vampires as we know it in Skyrim and probably in all the elderscrolls game.

Please everyone tell me on what you think on this subject and comment below.

Cant wait for Vampire Lords!!!

Also I'm curious as to what powers we will be having as a vampire lord. I mean I can picture myself svcking the life out of something from a distance until they grow super old and eventually turn to dust. Or maybe summoning dark entities that give me health everytime they attack something. Damn...just thinking about this has made me even more hyped about the dlc!!

The main book on vampires is [Immortal Blood](http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Immortal_Blood) and nowhere does it mention flying Vampire Lords.

The only possible way they could fit it in is by introducing it as a new strain of Vampirism.

Immortal blood is just one of the few good books on vampires. There are much more books on vampires than that one. Tamriel has over a hundred different types of vampires. That's a lot.

Vampire lord looks cool and all...but I rather be a Cyrodiilic vampire fighting the Volkihar for power and territory.

what would be kwl is being able to spread the disease to npc's same with werewolves and also vampire guilds that we can quest for lol.

Couldn't this be discussed in one of the other 6 threads on the subject?

There are others but Immortal Blood is the most expansive. Also no other book states anything about Vampire Lords.

vampire lords are by far the stupidest thing iv ever heard as an idea for TES, not because it does not fit the lore (which it does not, the deadric princes have already chosen their pets and if the lords did exist before we would have know about it, it is impossible to hide something like a vampire lord from the public) but because the idea is so damn cheesy

Hopefully when they and if they add this they could bring up the blood matron somehow. we will see.

Don't start with the whining, please. We have countless threads on dragons and elves already, you should complain there. If you won't contribute to the topic, then don't even bother.

This is hardly a whiny complaint directed to the subject in general. It is however a concern directed to the number of threads that pop up about the same subject. Be that Vampires, Wolves, Dragons, Elves or Sweetrolls. The point is that they should be kept in the appropriate threads and not flood the mantle with the same thing over and over.

It's not about people discussing the things they like nor is it against the people that like the topic. I am one that supports the topic but it should be in one of the existing threads, IMO. That is what I am saying.

There is no call for being snooty and snide. That kind of dialog shows weakness and fear...be strong and people will respect you.

EDIT : It seems that this line of discussion could warrant a new thread chain...we will see. Enjoy the rest of your discussion.

Ah, I see now. I imagined you were taking a shot at Vampire Lords being another subject. Honestly, this is a continuation from the other thread that was locked due to post limit. The other thread mentioning this subject is the Dawnguard DLC topic, which includes a great many things such as speculation and DLC comments.

My comment wasn't snide as much as it was a simple "please, contribute to the topic or don't post here." Assumptions such as these demonstrate lack of understanding, which is the key.

You mean these threads?

Locked : http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1345984-am-i-the-only-person-who-really-wants-flying-vampire-lords/page__fromsearch__1
Current : http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1376648-am-i-the-only-person-who-really-wants-flying-vampire-lords-thread-2/

Obviously they're just trying to please angsty teens who wanna be "dark" and "evil," so [censored] all lore if it brings in cash.


Yes they're gonna say "oh it's a new strain of vampirism" and people will just say "oh ok," but personally I'm not fond of it. FFS, if people say they want Ferrari's in TES, are they gonna invent some story about how a wizard in some tower invented the car?

Yeah, like how dragons might appeal to the nerds who play dungeons and dragons.

That is sarcasm. Please, do not try to compare Elder Scrolls vampirism with angsty teens. If this was true, then Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind or Oblivion wouldn't even have vampires to begin with.

P.S, Vampires in the Elder Scrolls are not evil. Dark, yes. Evil? No.

beth could always make up new lore about them at anytime also these vamp lords could have been residents molag bal's plain.

all vampires before in TES lore have been subtle (and, although i use the word loosely...), these new vampires shatter that and are only there to scream "i iz evul!! fear meh!!" and it is borderline inpossible to deny. we already have the vampiric badasses (ancient vampires) that could and should hold any positions these vampire lords may have.


while that is highly unlikely (why would any prince keep his pets locked up instead of letting them roam free and entertain him in mundas? it. makes. no. sense.) it is possible but it is still the stupidest idea i have ever heard anyone think up for TES

perhaps they are in tamriel but havent been spotted due to long periods of hibernation or somthing i dunno or perhaps they were to powerful to be summoned from molags realm before?

the manifesations (spelling) of deadrc princes have been summoned to mundas while the dragon fires were lit, power is no excuse, and like i said "it is impossible to keep something like a vampire lord from the public." adventureres would have stumbled across it and soem would have made it back alive and some would have told their story and some people would have believed them and stories about the vamprie lords would persist as folklore if nothing else, it is entirely impossible for that chain of events not to have taken place because of the very nature of powerful beings. there is no way something so strong could have went ignored and unkown for such a long time.

true but im just throwing out guesses besides perhaps their good at manipulatin and such?

There's a clear difference between the vampires we've had before and the vampires we're soon to get.
While former vampires of TES lore could blend in with normal humans, looked completely normal as long as they fed frequently and would just subtley bite someone, these new vampires are over-the-top. Wings, fangs, claws: the works.

It's no longer their creation, they're copying the look and design straight from other media.
Vampires in Elder Scrolls are not evil? Yeah, that's exactly my point. They were just citizens with a disease that forced them to feed on others. Now? After this release? Good luck disguising yourself amongst humans if you look like that. $20 says the vampire lords just attack people as blatantly as the current werewolf setup we have, with everyone freaking out the moment they see you. Hell, even if they didn't react, it'd be equally as ridiculous.

Just because TES had vampires and we're getting more vampire types doesn't make it ok. With that logic, no one would mind if I suddenly wrote Edward Cullen-type vampires into the story of Dracula: no, they're completely different in design.

so are ancients and they were documented before the eternal champ seen 'em (the eternal champ was the hero of daggerfall, right?), juuuuuuust sayin'

sadly i havent had the honor of playing daggerfall so im ignorant of that but if you say so i'll take your word for it

Well this was supposed to mainly be a discussion on vampire lords and they're position in game lore. I didn't want it to be the same as other discussions about vampire lords even though its about the same subject but...I guess I see now.

Ahem. Only the cyrodillic vampires could blend in with society according to lore. And that's due to a pact with clavicus vile. Learn the lore before you speak. Perhaps the vamp lords are going to be less like the gamejam version and more like the volikhar vampires from the lore. There's no telling until we see for ourselves.

That just means they're Daedric servants of Sheogorath.