http://www.inxile-entertainment.com/projects

This is what they have done in terms of projects. 2 are unreleased (of those two one is a helecoptor rescue sim, and the other is a Turn Based Strategy game), a game from 2004,ported to iOS and a Game most consider pretty average. None are currently making them a "lot".

And the assumption that they wont sell any is ridiculous, they wont sell many at all though. I bet my friend 100 dollars that this game would not even get close to selling 20,000 copies. Since as soon as they are done they give MORE then 32,000 away to their funders. Considering some people donated enough to get multiple copies.


Also my point on Turn Based games is that it is very niche. The only one to really ever get mainstream was Pokemon, and that was by chance.

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree.

As far as games with turn-based gameplay go, I'm not sure where you're going with that. A game doesn't have to be "mainstream" to be a financial success. A lot of games with turn-based gameplay have sold a lot of copies and turned a good profit. They may not have been blockbusters, but again, they don't have to be to be successful.

Like I said, even if only fans of Wasteland/Fallout bought the game they'd move a LOT more than 32,000 copies.

I'm not trying to say it needs to be mainstream, i meant that in terms of Turn Based games the only really successful ones were the Pokemon ones but others have done well. Out of curiosity how many games did FO1&2 sell? And Wasteland? Cant seem to find them.

We are putting a lot on assuming that its going to actually be a good game. As inExile hasn't really proven that it has it's [censored] together.

One problematic assumption here is that all of those fans have heard of this Kickstarter project. While news obviously spread fast underground for something with no commercials or ads to do so well, it's a considerable leap to say it reached everyone on the internet. I had personally never heard of Kickstarter until everyone was talking about Tim Schafer using it, and I don't go to a lot of gaming-oriented sites; if I hadn't seen this forum talking about it I may have never found out about the project at all. Ironically, part of why I don't visit those sites is because I'm more interested in those older games that don't get made anymore, and don't care much about the industry today. Plus, not all of those people who were fans and found out about the project may be willing to donate. It's an untested method and people aren't always willing to spend money on something without having a clue what they're getting, not to mention not getting it anytime soon.

Fallout 1 and 2 both sold well over 100,000 copies. This was over ten years ago, when the market was much smaller. Even if only the fans of Wasteland and Fallout 1/2 buy, they can easily get more than double the copies sold than the number of people who donated. Terraria, an indie game without the advantage of a known predecessor/designer, and with scarcely any advertising, ended up selling...well I don't know how many eventually, but I do know more than 500k copies. Turn-based isn't even that much of a niche, considering that phrase applies to almost the entire JRPG market, including Final Fantasy and the millions of copies it sells. Quite a different type of game, but still turn-based. Honestly, even if the game isn't good it won't surprise me if it sells more copies than the number of people who donated.

I too hadn't heard that Wasteland 2 until I saw it mentioned on here. I loved the original as a kid so when I started reading about it I jumped on it. To say it won't sell anything past the Kickstarter is asinine.

And yes, the money InXile gets from the Kickstarter goes to paying the people who are going to male the game. That's generally how it works. Brian said it best, 'people pre-order games all the time. A kickstarter is no different than a pre-order except know the fact that you are funding the game gets made.' Of course I paraphrased but he did say something similar in an interview.

This Obsidian situation is so utterly disgusting. It has only strengthened my resolve to never give Bethesda another cent of my money. Screw them, screw their horrible, dumbed-down misinterpretations of other peoples' legacies and up with Brian Fargo. Please good sir, lead the way to a glorious revolution and I shall follow.

Brian said that Obsidian did get their money though. People donated the money to them. Unless I'm mistaken which could also be the case.

What? Yeah, not sure where you got that information from because Brian certainly didn't say that in the Ripten interview. And even if this completely absurd claim were true what the heck would other people donating money to Obsidian (again, wtf?) do in regards to letting Zenimax and Bethesda off the hook for their transgressive business behavior? Nothing.

I probably read what he had stated incorrectly; or read too much into it, which is why I stated I was probably wrong. Which, clearly, I was.

I think the misunderstood line was from this bit:
It sounds to me not that Obsidian was donated to, but he just went from that topic to say that none of his old publishers would donate to the Kickstarter, but their employees do.

As said on the official Bethesda forums.

Also, they failed to meet the requirements of the agreement they made. If the agreement was unfair (as it was), then the Obsidian guys were being idiots for accepting. I have the feeling that Beth extended it almost as a "They'll never accept it, and maybe then they'll leave us alone" kind of deal.

Obsidian isn't the kind of dev house that can freely pick what they wish to work on (aside from them focusing on RPG's), they need all the work they can get as evident by the result of this situation.
And why would Bethesda do that (the extention with the "leave us alone" attitude) when it was them to pitch the game for Obsidian in the first place? "Would you like to do a Fallout game? Yes? That's great! Give us a pitch and we'll talk more." Hang up the phone, "Now on to fiddle the deal as bad as possible so they might decline it!" Makes no sense to me.

Lets stick to the topic of Wasteland 2 here, not the Obsidian-Bethesda situation.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/30/obisidian-to-co-develop-wasteland-2-on-one-condition/

Now's the time to RAISE YOUR PLEDGES PEOPLE and get everyone even remotely interested aboard!! Do it!

Holy hell. That needs to happen.

Dammit! I just got tree'd I was going to post this exact same thing from the Wasteland Survival Guide.

I'm so excited for this. I gotta talk to the misses at home and see if I can up my pledge to the $250 range. I don't see it happening but maybe I can talk her into a few bucks more.

I have got to hijack someone's credit card for this. /furiouslyscansthecellphonecontactlist

Tell her that the pledge will in some way enhance her six life.

I think the news has unhinged me. I'm seriously considering a $500 pledge. For the bag. For the bag...

That or $75 dollars. I'm not into collectables.

You can opt for a lower tier reward if you don't mind the clutter.

I dont care about the game, but if the Obsidian goal is reachable, I will likely donate. I like Obsidian, and if it helps them I will donate.

Have you played the original?


Yeah, she's not going for it. She says it's bad enough I donated $150 and that she married a dork but she can't justify the $250 regardless of what cool stuff "I" get. And yes, she stressed the "I" to show she honestly doesn't care about Wasteland 2. Ieven played the,"But hon, look at all the over time I've worked this month." card and she still isn't having it.

Wanna lend me $100, TES?

If I was working I'd pledge our amounts (but I'll still get the reward for myself ). Unfortunately by the start of summer the pledging will close. I'm sure they'll put up some sort of preorder system though, then I'll be able to offer my money by then.

if they get really close to the $2.1m I'll be forced to donate though so I'll feel I've done something right.

Meh, if I pay for a certain tier, I expect all the stuff the tier promises. I'd feel cheated, otherwise.

If I decide to do more than $75, does anyone want my extra stuff? You'd have to pay for shipping, of course.


You know even $1 pledges are possible, right?

Yes. If I'll pledge I'll just pledge something like $30. I've got the money, it's just that I kinda want to pledge a lot more, but can't. I'll probably pledge next week before the expiration of the kickstarter fund.