Really though, we need to answer this question: What DID the beta fix? Any beta testers reading this? Tell us of your experience. As much as you can.

Based on what I've read by people who have bought multiple Beth titles; once the DLC hits Beth is done. Regardless of bugs or glitches or the damage that their poor coding capabilities do when the DLC effects the vanilla game. That is the pattern I have read about daily from PS3 players who have seen this all before.

Short answer I really doubt it.

Well I started with Oblivion back when it released, then went back and played the rest, and I dont remember any dlcs with bugs THIS bad except the orrery which could screw up a questline. However, that dlc could easily be uninstalled, which would fix the quest, and reinstalled once it was over.

LOL, Bethesda's famous quality control strikes again. I knew this would happen.

Patching is very insignificant compared to what they made from Skyrim and there past games. It is also likely why Skyrim has received so much support compared to there older games.

It's also a great deal less costly than simply ignoring the problems, and hoping that people enjoyed your glitchy, buggy, sometimes broken product so much that they'll buy your next one, despite the fact that you never really fixed the problems in the game, and then seeing people not buying your newest game because Skyrim's problems left a bad taste in their mouths.

Yes, but for better or worse, companies respond to profit. They'll sell what you'll buy. By buying dawnguard we all told Bethesda "this is ok". Now I'm NOT saying we should feel guilty, because we had no idea of all the bugs, but that's what companies naturally respond tk: what the consumer will pay for. Why do you think EA is the way it is? They're literally trolling consumers to see how much they can get away with, to see how cheap they can be while still making profits. I'm not comparing EA to bethesda. I'm just giving an extreme example.


My point is that next time we gotta try to speak with our wallets, that's all.

Which is why I don't buy anything with EA's label on it, nor do I plan on buying this DLC or any others, or anything with the Zenimax/Bethesda logo again until I hear that their products are stable, and I can get a good deal on them.

If this doesn't get patched at all by the time the PS3 and PC get the DLC, I can't imagine anything motivating me to get it for a while.

I'm not at the "I'll boycott this company forever" level with Bethesda yet, like I am with EA, but I'm not going to rush out to give them money anymore.

Yup, no Bethesda DLC has ever been patched. Even the versions released later for other platforms.

it seems the majority of beta testers didnt do there jobs its called beta testing not omg i got the dlc for free weeks before everyone else time to play it to my hearts content and let others worry about reporting bugs and oversights or suggesting changes.

Were you in the Beta?

Oh my gosh people STOP talking bad about the beta testers. They DID their job and REPORTED most of the bugs we're seeing. BETHESDA just didn't fix them. I normally dont get mad on threads, but I'm sick of you ignorant people carelessly slapping the blame on anyone BUT the devs when you obviously don't know what went on. If you even READ half this thread you'd see how mind-numingly redundant your comment was and how it wAs shot down every time!

*Sigh*

You're banned from the internetz.

Ignorance is bliss isn't it? Go ahead and keep blaming everyone but the ones who are really responsible.
I bet you voted for Obamanation too didn't you?

I spit Pepsi on my keyboard.....

Personally I don't think that was the case from what I've heard from the beta testers who are active of these forums. And I believe them when they say that a lot of the bugs were reported during the Dawnguard beta testing period, but weren't fixed for the released version. Why do I believe them? Because I saw the exact same thing happen twice during PC Skyrim beta patch testing periods where bugs were reported but never acted on before the patch release. In one case it meant that another patch had to be quickly released to fix one of the more serious bugs that was reported but left unfixed during the beta.

As it is I don't expect Beth to fix Dawnguard now that it has been released and I expect that the version that comes out for PC and PS3 will be the exact same version that is out for the Xbox 360. Bugs and all. The one concession for the PC users is that some (if not most) of those bugs will be fixed by the community via mods. Sadly that doesn't help the Xbox and PS3 users, but it's up to the users of those systems to kick up a stink about this ongoing problem.

You are welcome.
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Nothing the Beta was a marketing stunt to boost confidence in purchasing the DLC with minimal bugs.

This, unfortunetely. I hope this isn't true. I really like to delude myself into thinking Bethesda Wouldn't do this, but my gut keeps telling me our beta testers were just paws in a marketing and promotional scheme.

My inner cynic is telling me this is the case.

You guys do realize there was probably a pretty big overlap of time where the dlc was being beta tested and being evaluated by microsofts certification process? I dont think there was really any time to fix bugs being reported by the testers... rether it might have given them a head start on fixing them via patch.

If that's the case they shouldn't have released it when they did. At E3 they said they would release it on June 26th if it didn't have a lot of problems. If it did have problems, they said they'd postpone the release until things were sorted out. Clearly, it does have a lot of problems. But they released it June 26th anyway.

Here is my bug report when I beta tested Dawnguard. I haven't played it since the actual release, so I can't say if any of it was fixed. I didn't run into some of the major issues that were reported, either. Here it is, in case anyone is interested. Edit: placed in a spoiler tag, as some plot elements are in the bug report. Read at your own risk.

Goin by that logic we shouldnt even be playin Skyrim right now...

I'm extremely curious as well. Most of the threads I've perused a beta tester will pop in and say, "Uh...yeah, we told them."

How the hell does that happen? You KNOW it's a problem and just say, "Screw 'em" with regards to your customers.

I agree. Products shouldn't be released with the overwhelming amount of bugs that Skyrim was released with.