They didnt get along, they just got sent to gulags

I can't agree with you.
1. Stormcloak rebellion is only way to keep Nordic way of life including Talos worship and is only way to avoid being under the rule of Thalmor. (Empire is on the side of Thalmor now. They fear new war so badly that they rather accept Thalmor to rule them than raise a hand against them. Even if they'll find courage to face Thalmor on a battlefield, war will be fast over because they have allowed Thalmor to operate on their land and they have gave Thalmor right to have Embasies and Forts on their land. You can't successfully fight with them if you have to scatter your troops to fight all over your Empire.)

2. Nords and Stormcloaks aren't racists. In every race there are drunken bastards like the one in Windhelm but that doesn't mean everyone of them are. Saying such a thing makes you to be a racist. "Skyrim belongs to the Nords!" Doesn't make them racists either. It doesn't mean that others aren't allowed to live on there - it only means that Skyrim is land of Nords and they have right to be independent and make their own laws. They aren't slaves of the Cyrodiilic people even those ones wants them to be. And the whole Windhelm issue isn't so simple that Nords are racists. In Windhelm the Dark Elves are willing to live in the safe which the walls provides to them but none of them are willing to protect those walls. Also if you talk with that High Elf on the market district she will tell you that she have no problems with Nords and all problems Dark Elves have is because of their proud. And if you talk with Dark Elves you'll find out that the whole negative issue there is mostly because of their own bad and racist attitude. Some of them will tell you something like this "I have heard there have been murders in the city. But I don't care because no Dunmer has been killed." (If you have played Morrowind you also know that Dark Elves hates other races far more than Nords ever could.)

3. At this point you are probably right. Nords seems to have problems with their drinking but at least it's better to have problems with mead than have problems with moon sugar and skooma or with hist sap.

4. Hatred to magic is quite understandable thing. Magic is scary great power which can be easily misused. Mages in Oblivion crisis, all Daedric magic users, necromansers, vampires, mad magicans who are making their insane experiments and Thalmor wizards in the Great War have gave lots of pain to Nords. Magic is powerful and its user can easily be corrupted so it's just wise not to love it.

This is the exact epitome of Nord attitude. One can argue that the children of Kynareth can also be easily corrupted with the power of the thu'um. The exact reason why Ulfric is hated instead of respected in parts of Skyrim.

No more so than Dunmer or Altmer

The problem with Nords is that they are to much hard-headed and many cannot/don't want to evolve with the rest of the world.

Oh, I love it when you take a large and very diverse group of people and claim they are all the same nasty types! Especially when you ignore that many of the other groups in the game has the same nasty outliers.

Most Imperials tend to agree that the Empire is the one to follow. Pfff. Although I can understand that the Emperor wants to keep the tribute payments from Skyrim, he is ignorant not to face the fact that trying to squash the Stormcloak rebellion would only mean that the Thalmor come in and smash their asses. Their best bet is to allow Skyrim to seceede and sign an alliance against the Thalmor, because the Aldmeri Dominion is way, way too powerful for the Empire to fend off.

See, I can play that game as well!

While playing as a Nord, he is often referred to as "fellow Nord", "kinsman", "brother Nord", and etc. If I wasn't playing as a Nord, I might have more reason to dislike the Nords, or at least the few bad apples, but I have no reason to dislike them, as my pc is one of them and doesn't receive any of the racist or sterotypical comments.

All of the Tamriel races are sterotypical or racist in their own ways at times. The Nords are no different; the game just happens to take place in Skyrim, and so we see more of them. As others have mentioned, the Dunmer were far more "racist" in Morrowind, and the Thalmor are Tamriel's Nazis.

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Just a heads up OP. You're practicing point 1 and 2 at the moment.

True the Dunmer where a terrible, terrible people back when Morrowind was running strong. They brutaly enslaved thousands of Argonians, Khajiits, even some Men and Mer. But they suffered for it. They're homeland was destroyed, thousands were killed, and then the Argonians invaded on some loose idea of revenge even though the Dunmer were already devestated (and despite the abolishment of slavery).

The Dunmer spread out to Skyrim because they had no where else to go. And the Nords subjugated them, forcing them into the slums of Windhelm. The Nords ask "why don't you fight for the stormcloaks?" Because the whole rebellion, and issue with the Thalmor, does not concern the Dunmer at all! Most still cling to the Tribunal beliefs despite its destruction! They could care less about Talos, or Skyrim's independence. And is a poorly motivated rag tag band of refugee's really going to turn the tide of war?

Cyrodiil was right next door. So was solstheim which the nords GAVE to the dunmer.

But no you have that horribly wrong. Windhelm took in most of the dunmer refugees. Which completely occupied the snow quarter(Meaning the nords in there were evicted). They were allowed to be self governing, pay no taxes, and worship whoever they want. They've been there 180 years and the nords don't feel like they're contributing anything to them. They've kept themselves isolated unlike the dunmer that fled to Riften. Their original culture was very antagonistic, so it's no surprise that there's friction between them and the nords of Windhelm.

And yes, they could make a rather large difference in a war where every single man counts.(For Example, the current war)

BTW the Thalmor will genocide the dunmer after they finish with the empire. The Thalmor will genocide everyone except a few of their staunchest bosmer supporters because the other mer didn't follow their ideology thousands of years ago and are filthy disgusting daedra worshippers.

If you are referring to the Midden Incident Report, then you are most likely referring to another incident that is removed from the Great Collapse. The reason for this is the Midden report refers to an Archmage Sedoth, while a letter to the Jarl of Winterhold at the time of the Great Collapse refers to an Archmage Deneth. With no reference to anyone in the College stepping down from their station at the time of the Great Collapse, it seems unlikely that these incidents occurred in the same time period.

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Ulfric is hated by some because like the ops generalization of an entire race is also projected on their belief that Ulfric is a racist too and in my opinion he's not. He's busy trying to save his peoples lives and way of life. He is not corrupted by his use of Thu'um his ability to use it proves he was the stronger Nord in his totally legitimate duel with the High King.

1: You should maybe look more into certain parts of the lore added with Skyrim before you start to put out claims like that. We know for a fact that the Thalmor do not want a Stormcloak victory, just like they do not want an Imperial victory. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak

2: The Altmer have a history of being more racist than the nords, and so does the Dunmer. If you think the Nords of Skyrim are racist you haven't played Morrowind, or haven't paid attention while doing it.
Also, most nords seem to not mind your race with a few exceptions. Judging the entire race in those few is quite ignorant.

3: Drinking seem to be a part of their culture, but they do not seem to be a bunch of alcoholics. Some are, but most aren't.

4: Distrust is not the same as hate, but i agree that they are a bit uptight about it.

Conclusion: Not as big asses as you present them.

I agree. Nords svck, they're my least favorite race in TES. Bunch of troglodytes..

But I'm glad they're around nonetheless.. They still svck though.


So much truth in this post.

LIke any other race in this world, they're all different.

You're racist.

Erm...Skyrim had little claim to Solstheim. Or at least they did not own in anymore than Morrowind did. It was not like the Nords GAVE them it. More like they didn't want to bother with it and thought it was a good place to offload a good deal of the Dunmer refugees. Morrowind and Skyrim always had claim to Solstheim iirc and the Skaal were the true natives, who are not the same people as the Nords. At least no more so than the reachmen. They even worship completely different gods and have different traditions. The Nords basically had no right to GIVE the Dunmer Solstheim. The Nords generosity was in letting the Dunmer come to Skyrim.

I believe there is also mention of the Snow quarter having been abandoned prior to the Dunmer refugee's arrival. The Nords let them have it because no one really wanted it or was living there. Been awhile since I played though. As for the Nords generosity? I am sure it is a case of diminishing returns. Living under the thumb of your ancient enemies who have a strong, and getting stronger, hatred of mer cannot be an easy thing for a long lived, accomplished and prideful race like the Dunmer. Nor do I think the Nords found it easy to live amongst Dunmer who have been their bitter enemies for most of their history together and most Nords seem to be ignorant as [censored] when it comes to the different mer. Most Nords just lump them all together despite the various mer not having very many similarities with each other. It does not get much different than the Dunmer and Altmer. Then we have the whole celebrated Mer-Killer as one of the most revered figures in the Nords rather long history(Ysgramor) who has the only weapon in any of the series or books, that is specifically better at killing one particular race's members. Wuuthrad.

Yeah I am sure it has been a cake walk for the Dunmer in the Heart of the Nordic Nation during a time when the Nord's hatred for Mer is at a height not likely seen since Ysgramor and the Falmer.

As for the OP? Yes, some of the Nords are asses and as a rather big fan of the Nords(second favorite race in TES) it kind of is annoying how ignorant they made them appear. I expected the racism but not the stupidity. In any case, most of the races in TES are quite racist. Not everything is rainbows and butterflies. People do not always act beautifully.

Are you sure? A lot of the Imperials also appear to be Nords, at least enough that saying 'most Nords support Ulfric' is wrong.

I'd like to write a longer reply, but I don't have the time right now so a short one will have to do.

First of all, many Nords support the Empire, and many serve in the legion. Second of all, you (the OP) is more racist than many Nords. Much of the "racism" they practice is also more about culture and less about race. The Dunmer in the gray quarter are not there because they are a bunch of untermenschen, it's because they are too proud to work for the Nords who took them in. Even in the home of the Stormcloaks and the city which houses Ulfric himself will you find Mer who are equal or better off than Nords.

Take a look at the owner of the alchemy shop in Windhelm for instance. He's an Altmer, and if we had to pick a worst enemy based on race for the Stormcloaks, Empire and many others, it would be the Altmer, thanks to the dominion and the Thalmor. Yet you have an Altmer having a big shop, selling his wares inside where it's warm while you have Nords working in the stalls out in the cold. Why is he able to do that? Because he works hard and respects the Nords. That's usually what they ask of you. If you want something, you have to work hard to earn it. Simple as that. Though I won't argue with the fact that there are proper Nord racists, but as others have said you'll find far worse ones if you look at the Dunmer or the Altmer. Play Morrowind and ask different people about the races, some Dunmer will describe some races as pretty much sub-human uncivilized beasts.

And as for the "drunkard" generalization, there are far more hard-working nords around in-game. And to be fair, judging the world based on game mechanics is a bit silly to begin with. I think we'd have a few players whining if you had to travel far and wide to find the companions for quests, because they were off in some distant cave slaying trolls only to show that they do actually work.

Nice post man totally agree.

I could've sworn that there was just a thread about how shallow and boring the plot and sub-plots of Skyrim are. Then this? A discussion with regard to a major sub-plot? Interesting.

I believe the entirety of Solstheim was inhabited by Nords and Imperials. It was contested area, but the dunmer never really made a move to claim it, so the nords settled in.(Skaal are not the only group of nords on the island)

You're saying the nords of Windhelm left half of their city completely unused until just the day the dunmer exodused? That's a bit of a stretch. Waste of prime real estate right there.


Don't forget the nords also celebrated the Falmer snow-prince for his valour too. Gave him a fancy burial and everything(But not stahlrim of course)


I expected it to be worse, honestly given how long the dunmer have been isolating themselves. Nords don't exactly appreciate kind gestures being met with disdain.

I want to preface this by saying that I love the Dunmer, they're easily my favorite character Race to play.

That being said, do you remember Morrowind, OP?

The Dunmer were D-bags in that game. lmao

I have to say nords especially guards are very ignorant i made a 2nd character as a nord to get away from it yet they still call you something

I don't.

Who agrees that OP is narrow minded?