I think the difference between a song being good and liking it is there. For example if I liked sonic roar - brain squashed because it was catchy, I like the song. But if I was to review it I couldn't just say the song is catchy, the singing may be appalling, the whole thing could be awful but it is catchy and I like it. Just an example.

because we're old, old and bitter. and hate change.

hate that our favourite singers/musicians (who in their time were technically pop as well) are considered old and lame or out of style [it really gets me when pink floyd is called classic rock even though they are not even over 100 years old yet]

But you're implying there are objective standards. There are technical standards, I'll agree (so you can like a song because the singing is accomplished, or dynamic) but these aren't the be all and end all of goodness in music. I like early Napalm Death, even though they never showed much musicianship. That makes them good in my eyes - and I could give plenty of reasons for that appraisal if I felt the need - regardless of what people conventionally understand good music to be.

Well by that logic, there's no such thing as classic rock....

I hate people who sing pop music because I hate pop music. That, and pop singers usually end up being those annoying faces that end up on my TV screen everyday.

Because it's cool to dislike popular things.

There's a fair amount of pop music I don't mind, especially since recently most pop music seems to be drifting in an electronic-y, dubstep-y direction, which is the music I like anyway. I'll generally download an instrumental version if it's available, I'm not a fan of vocals in electronic music unless they really work.

As for Bieber, his hatedom is just as annoying as his fandom.

I don't hate the people. I'm sure some of them are good people and are nice and all, I just don't like their music. While I don't personally like it or understand why people think people who bought a book of rhymes are brilliant, that's their opinion and they developed it for a reason. I also realize that complaining can't change that.

Music is selective (or is it subjective). If you don't like it don't listen to it. I don't even walk into a store if its playing music I hate. People going on about how they hate Justin Bieber (I hate him) and talk about it every chance they get are only feeding the crap machine that made him famous. Any talk is good talk to the huge crap machine. As long as you talk about what it turns out, good or bad, it feeds it.

Bad Music is around in every decade. Remember Disco? I am lucky I didn't live through that. But I did have to live through the death of Grunge and the birth of Boy Bands.

If you want the Crap machine to stop producing crap.. Just don't listen/look at what it produces. Works for TV shows.

I actually like disco, or at least the disco aesthetic you find in modern house and dance music. Most disco svcks because the genre's rapid popularization and expensive production led to a big push by record companies, which resulted in overexposure and lots and lots of unoriginal and uninteresting cash-ins. At least that's my theory, I don't know music history.

svcks or not, disco was very influential. It remains to be seen if pop music today will be the same. To me, a lot of it seems to draw from old styles of dance and pop, and doesn't add much on its own, but I don't regularly listen to it. It's quite varied, at least, and that alone could spark a sense of creativity in the scene.

seems more like he was talking about songs that last because they are great for the song it self and not the popularity of the artist. in ten years if any of justin beiber's songs from today are still considered good or popular by a large group of people then it will be because the song was good in itself and not because justin beiber is really popular with adolecent females.

infact, the beatles started of pretty much like justin beiber and grew into something greater than what the label industry was trying to make a quick buck off of. as much as i dislike beiber i can concede the possibility that one day he might make music that sounds good or has a quality artistry.

I think pop music is cool to hate on because, well, it's POPULAR music. But I dunno, I was never big on 90's pop, nor early 00's, nor todays pop. I do tend to hear the occassional good 'pop' song, but it's few and far between. Plus, I think for those of us in our 20's, our 'Them damned kids with their pop music' gene is kicking in to soon.

THIS!
I think music nowadays is crap.

Probably because there's so many genres to choose from these days, it's changing and growing at a rapid pace, and it's all so easy to access. I'm lucky in that I only started to listen to music a few years ago, so I have no nostalgia (or disgust, in the case of disco) for any specific genre or era.

There's a lot of reasons for liking certain kinds of music... People just get testy and territorial about whatever they like, sometimes

I think I am pretty picky when it comes to music I listen to... I would also like to say that whatever I listen to is something unique in its own way, and that is the reason why I like it. Of course, I guess I have limits to that...

I don't count. I don't listen to America's music. I know it sounds pretentious and hipster, but it's true. Just about everything to do with music in America beyond the 1940's mystifies and bores me.

Pop? I listen to it as much as I do Metal.

Which is never.

You know what I'm listening to right now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcoYjx60Bpg Next in the playlist is some stage tune from Street Fighter IV. After that is some soundtrack from an Anime, or some soundtrack from a movie, or some soundtrack from a video game, or maybe some assorted http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/25/caramelldansen.swf.

I don't even know what pop is. So I don't hate it. Why would I hate something I know nothing about?

It'd be like hating women.

DISCO RULES! and don't let any one tell you other wise. i know this is off topic but every one at my job thinks i am nuts for liking disco. but the majority of classic rock is technically disco; the who, pink floyd (maybe, thats kind of stretching it. it would have to be a scetchy disco tech), E.L.O, Abba, rolling stones, etc.

not only that but alot of 80's bands were inspired by popular music in the disco era, even if the sound of their musc was made their own.

Let me put it this way, in the 70's/80's, unless you were a novelty act, you had to be able to sing, play an instrument or write a hook. I know there was a lot of crap in those eras, but take a look at Oo Nana Haya or Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep. Yes, they are crap, but at least you get the feeling they put some effort into the music. The 80's had a lot more style over substance (from what I can tell, I wasn't born in the 80's) than the 70's but it still took some work to get to the position where you you could release garbage, and the "Music video" songs had good music videos unlike todays softcoe porm videos.
The reason so many people hate Justin Bieber (and pop musicians in general) is because, although he can strum away a few chords, he hasn't done anything to show he has anything to offer. He doesn't have revolutionary video concepts, he doesn't have complex instrumentation behind his work and he doesn't have message to bring to the table.
The music industry seems to have decided that instead of just waiting for the next Hendrix or Beatles to emerge they can just tell us that the current artists are the best thing music has to offer, so it isn't really a hatred of them as people, but of what they represent. Which is pre-produced "Musical Geniuses" or "Controversial and Cheeky artists" when everything they release or do seems like an advertisment for their image rather than an actual song.

It's the same as in the 50's when after Chuck Berry was in jail, Elvis was in the army and Little Richard was in the church artists like Ricky Nelson got promoted as Rock and Roll stars.
I wouldn' t call Floyd and the Stones disco bands, they did have disco moments.

sorry but those first two are from america, its just a remix of an old american cartoon channel sound bites put to a beat.

Edit: @jagartharn i did not say, at least did not intend too say, that they were of the genre of disco. What i was getting at is that alot of people of my age look at the 70's with disgust and cite that the music played back then was terrible and disco. but alot of greatest and the best played their part when disco was big. sure they came before and past disco, but at that point of time they were disco.

I know what Toonami is. Is that remix track on the radio though? No. It doesn't even have a CD release I don't think. It's about as "American" as any Internet remix could be, professional or not.

And Street Fighter was made in Japan. The music was composed by Hideyuki Fukasawa.

Pretentious hipster point still stands.

i guess i get it, your more opposed that the music is produced in america rather than the sound it self being from america? my mistake on street fighter, i have never owned a nes or a snes, so i have never played street fighter.

It's the sound. Being made in America isn't the point, Jeremy Soule is American, Hanz Zimmer is German, Yoko Kanno is Japanese. The point is that the best music isn't on the lists.

You don't see "Track 25 from Captain America Soundtrack" on the radio or on top lists or on the television (unless you're watching Captain America).

Don't speak to soon, people seem desperate enough to sample just about anything these days.

Then is your problem with "American" music in particular, or certain genres?

I enjoy music that has deep meaning to it's creator. Most pop songs these days are just pushed out there for the money, not because the artist themselves felt like they needed to share it with the world.

I'm not saying that all pop singers have no meaning in their songs, I respect Lady GaGa because I believe she has a very personal message behind her songs.


I might not particularly enjoy the genre, but I don't hate the people that play it. Most are decent, and to hate them as a person just because they play a genre of music you don't like is pathetic.

Well I'm from a very different generation I don't think I would know any of those you mentioned if I heard them - including- Metallica.

I have been around for every music trend since bebop. I was a teen that went nuts over Bill Haley, Chuck Berry and Little Richard.

Pop music was sung by Paul Anka and Pat Boone, both of whom I did not like.


By 1960 music turned into what the producers wanted you to hear and for me there was no new music until the Beatles/Stones got over the pop part and opened up a new age along with early Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix and the after results of Woodstock. 1966 to about 1972 - then it died again and I was lost forever.

My son used to play a lot of rock from the early to mid eighties and I would like it but of course had to pretend I was against it (parents have to do this). Since then the punk, rave, rap, gangsta and especially the disco music have been nothing but a terrible din (for me).
Music stopped for me when Pink Floyd stopped making albums. Back in my days a personal listening device was a radio, phonograph or a jukebox. Can you imagine a world without iPods and MP3 ?

Bandwagon hate. A good amount of the people who hate on beiber have never heard his music.