Ehehehe Wol that's OneChanbara (Bikini Zombie Slayers). I own the games AND the movies.... cheesy to the max, but good for cheap lulz

EDIT: About Witcher. It's mature and dark because of the issues it deals with, NOT because of the Triss bits. If you've read the books you'd
understand.... but the game actually is good on this, too.

Well I don't know for the books, really. I didn't feel compeled by the games, though. Especially the first. I may do the second one of those days... Still, I don't know. I felt it was pretty common 'dark and mature themes'. Issues I had the feeling were second-hand issues, mostly because the game does a good job at making them commonplace, while in truth they should be very important topic. Racism, most notably. Come to think of it, I don't know what was 'mature' in what the Witcher was dealing with appart from the omnipresent racism / race superiority complex the human race has over the 'lesser race' like Dwarves and Elves.

I have the feeling that the "Black Company", as a work of heroic-fantasy, was much more pertinent when dealing with the horrors of things. Maybe Games of Thrones, but I didn't read it nor did I watched the show...


Nah, I didn't play Witcher 2 more than past the prison break at the very beginning. Part of the problem is that i don't like the gameplay at all. It's hard to force yourself to play a game in whoch you don't even like moving the character I did most of the first game, though, and never felt dragged into the story. Also hated the gameplay even more... But that's another topic.
What I mean is that, why put useless nudity in a game, especially when it seems to slow down the pace of the story and switch the focus? They'd bettter go all the way in, if the story is self-sufficient in term of mature topics. Racism, treason, death, [censored], whatever the story is telling, the nudity in Witcher 2 was not consolidating the plot.

Anyway even if I feel it was important to replace what should be 'advlt' or so-called 'mature' themes in video games to explain why I saw nudity as mostly pointless, I think I may have wandered off-topic with the Witcher and cie.

This is subjective, but I think Witcher 2 had a much more pronounced "mature" themes in it than the first one.

But you are correct, Wol, we have wandered off track

....Back to regularly scheduled programming?

No, you're pretty much right for the most part. The first Witcher is a game I despise actually but the second one is actually a big improvement. Apart from the racism thing, there's political turmoil and the difficulty of choosing sides or staying neutral in conflicts. There's a lot of folklore and some other plot related things that go on in the game. It's mostly the execution and depth it brings to the table, both of the plot and the construction of the world.

Game of Thrones is definitely worth a look, but to be honest I can't objectively say whether the series or the books are better because I haven't payed too much attention to both. But from what I've seen they are both great.



NEVER! Also, I liked your old avatar better. It had character!

Because it's published by Bethesda, and Bethesda has American morals. Violence is okay, but nudity is not.

Ooohh, strife, your words.... they wound me to the core

I may bring Alice back later. It's a mood thing.

No worries. I hope I stick around for that long though. Here's hoping!

OK, OK, on topic:

Nudity - Necessary? No. Gratuitous? Sometimes. Upon good execution and with context? An improvement!

Ah, well, I don't look for "issues" in my stories/ games, if you mean preachy political stuff. I am more moved by human stories and I though the human stories were told very well, with some nice subtlety and characterization, particularly between Emily and Corvo.

I do think the political themes were presented in too light/ dark, naive fashion. Since I brought up Witcher 2, I'll say that is where that game really shines, in its complex political story. But as I said, that's not a main draw for me.

Definitely, the ASoIaF books are better than the TV series. And I loved Witcher 1- I prefer it to 2, especially for the gameplay, which wavered between annoying and infuriating.

Here, snuggle muffin.... to tide you over.

http://imageshack.us/a/img27/4600/cvbap.jpg

Original work by gjred, on pixiv. Great artist.

Appreciated ,thank you!


Explain, because I can't justify their relationship having subtlety or being told very well. Witcher 2 did have human stories and focus on emotion, they weren't the leading ones though. And I too like you prefer emotion over the political stories but they can be balanced both together.


Some of them were, yeah. Now I am sad because I am reminded that the only people who can tell an amazing story are Obsidian. Let's hope Project Eternity brings that back.


Arguable. In both games the gameplay is terrible and clunky. But then again, gameplay isn't the strong point in both games.

On that I can only agree. Best storytellers for videogames I have seen in my looong liiiife.
Too bad they are always on the bad side of the technology!
Kotor2 was over-bugged, Fallout: New-vegas had an amazing story after the lame Fallout3 but retains the lame gameplay and bugs, and Alpha Protocol was a great story with an awesome dialog system... Ruined by a bad technical execution .

Let's hope they can hire better programmers for Project Eternity!
( and graphists for nudity, too.)
( hm )

KOTOR 2, as I recall, was pushed for release waaaayy before it was ready, which is why so much of the content was cut

Last I checked, Czerka Labs were working on a fan patch to put in all the stuff that was cut..... that was a long while ago, though,
I'm not sure if they've abandoned it or what.

So was Fallout: New Vegas. Didn't really hurt my enjoyment of either game.

Well yes, I suppose if I didn't know just HOW MUCH didn't make it, and what kind of things they were,
I wouldn't have missed it, either. Can't miss what you didn't know you could have had. But reading
over the list of all the cut things, it made me wish that they had been included in the first place.

That's a feeling one could get from every game to be honest once you've played it and read what is missing. Things always get cut out, and that's a shame, but sometimes it's for the better. After all, what we can do is only read a concept, we are not seeing a gameplay demo showcasing said concept. But given the way they've handled the rest of the game one could safely say that they would have executed it well.

Same thing with Dishonored really http://kotaku.com/5953634/what-dishonoreds-corvo-looked-like-before-he-got-that-fancy-mask

http://kotaku.com/5953087/dishonoreds-art-director-talks-inspiration-cut-levels

Sometimes it's best not to know.... it's easier to enjoy things that way....

One might say "ignorance is bliss" and one might be absolutely right. This is actually a very strong argument against spoilers and "knowing too much". People sometimes try to avoid forum boards of a game that isn't out yet for everything else other than news and I don't blame them to be honest.

Wow, strife, did we just sort of agree on something? I think I'm feeling faint....

Don't keep that attitude for long because you will be disappointed. I am a very hypocritical person and dualistic in nature, so I will always agree and disagree on EVERY topic. And that's the beauty of this world.

Anyway too off-topic. I still don't like how killing and gore are considered OK in some situations but six and nudity is complete taboo. As far as I know, most of my friends were treated the same way when they were growing up. "You can watch this action movie filled with violence but you cannot watch this drama or thriller because it has naked people in one short scene".

Oh, I've....come to expect absolutely nothing predictable out of you. No worries 'bout me getting used to things

EDIT: on-topic. I was forbidden to watch anything if it involved more than 1) kissing 2)papercut, but I watched tons of questionable tv stuff from the door crack in my room anyway, ehe. Since the TV was positioned in the living room
right across from my room. But that's in my formative years.... when I was little, we didn't have anything like that in my country. Mostly "boy loves tractor on a collective farm" black and white movies.

Yeah, it's okay to watch people get chopped to pieces, but if there's one nip slip then the entire media goes crazy.

I should say I have only played the low chaos game at this point, but I thought they balanced a fine line in making the story emotionally gripping without being maudlin. Emily's characterization and character design is so good, in the line it walks between a vibrant, difficult little girl and one who's had to grow up much too fast, with too much responsibility resting on her. The example I mentioned on my tumblr was the "daddy" portrait- the detail that made me choke up was the royal seal on her note to Corvo. I also thought there were humorous little nods to the fact that at the very least she's been raised by this man (though I believe she's actually his daughter), like when she says "I don't know why hiding is so fun..." I laughed aloud at that.

Perhaps none of this caught you, but I found it all both emotional and from a characterization standpoint utterly convincing.

Banana!

I was given a lot of freedom in that regard, which I am endlessly grateful for. Never really saw the appeal of the "forbidden fruits", until I hit puberty. Long story's short, I never really cared too much for either heavy action, gore and so on nor six and porm, I guess I was broken like that. But I was never forced or prohibited from watching those things, everything I learned I did on my own.


Convincing, yes, but still pretty basic. It's not that it didn't catch me, it's more of a "OK, that's nice" and that's about it.

Well what did you want? You're talking like all this is so easy and it isn't. Child NPC in a video game is a recipe for either manipulation or annoyance. I think they neatly maneuvered between both.

Er... just realized I'm talking about Emily in a thread on nudity. On topic- there IS nudity in Dishonored- the story of the Naked Man.

Rhubarb!

Gawrsh, it's like we're bonding. I'm disturbed and strangely touched all at the same time. It's weird.
Speaking of forbidden fruits. Funny how once they're no longer forbidden, it's like they are no longer interesting OR exciting

Celan - which one's that? I think I may have missed it?