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I guess this question was inevitable.

Anyway, because porm games and Adventure games are different!

If I wanted to look at naked pixels, I'd load up Skyrim with Animated Prostitution installed.

So, by that logic we should eliminate nudity out of any medium because you don't want to watch it.

No, I just feel like it would not fit with the overall theme of the game. Which I probably should have also added.

How does it not exactly? The Golden Cat in particular and Lady Boyle's Last Party are perfect examples. Corruption doesn't come just from money after all.

six isn't a major theme in a lot of works of art and they still show nudity because that's what makes them more authentic and real. A few scenes will not hurt anyone.

You know that, I know that, but, believe it or not, most people don't classify video games as an art form (yet). Nudity is okay in art because its "culture" but in entertainment its "tasteless." Seems legit?

They don't add anything, either.

People should just go watch porm.

Agreed. I'm not one to be offended by six and nudity, however I hate how cheap it is to show nudity when it's not needed, just for the sake of showing nudity ( and mostly female nudity, how weird is that, huuuh? ). A lot of female icon in the gaming world have been shown in sixy poses and outfits, mostly vulgar rather than ... well, beautyful.
There is absolutely no need in Dishonored to show nudity, honestly. I get the "Golden Cat" angle, but even there it would have brought nothing to the table. The peeping-tom part with Piero was useless, other than bring some life to this little community. Still felt funny, as once we are done scolding him for looking through locks, it's almost obvious we will do the same when nobody's around anymore!

I think its more like they tolerate it rather than want it. Not that there aren't people who want to see everything naked. As they say "six sells".
Personally I don't see why every movie needs a six scene, they can do just fine without them.

Also not everyone wants to hide in there room and lock the door to play their games. Some people have kids (or siblings) that like to watch them play. So yes it can 'hurt' people.


Yes, a couple of areas could warrant a six scene or nudity, but with the overall theme and style of Dishonored they would feel out of place.
Arkane effectively displayed that six is a factor in corruption without showing any nudity. Any more than that would just be unneeded perversion.

Not everyone wants to see random place fornication in their games.

I don't think it was necessary, there, and would have necessitated the creation of a new model for very little actual effect. Also, it would have messed with the game's rating and narrowed the available audience, again, for very little reason.

Because some don't classify it as an art form it doesn't mean that it is. And no, it is not "tasteless" if it is done right.


Great idea! No more nudity of any kind in any medium from now on!

It depends on how it is presented and on context. If it's executed well then it will add authenticity and show some actual maturity. Too bad game developers are the absolute opposite of mature, at least most of them.


Nobody saying it should be only female nudity, then it would be classified as male pandering. And it should portray beauty, after all the human body is beautiful and people can enhance that feel if they do it right. Unfortunately the game is really shallow and doesn't approach any delicate subject matter. I am talking in general in games and the other mediums.


Uhm, sorry, I am not going to sacrifice artistic integrity because someone might come in and see me. Same thing with a movie. And this is a bold thing to say in a game with corpses and death everywhere.



And what exactly is the overall theme and style of Dishonored? Because the game definitely didn't handle any themes well, or to a particular depth. And, last time I checked, it's a dark game in a corrupt city. Yes, it is true that you can display six as a factor in corruption, but Dishonored didn't do it well at all. Completely superficial, I'd say.


Might I as why everyone is looking at this so close minded? I am not saying have 18+ six scenes, without any depth or meaning, and make everything into an interactive porm. Far from it.


The game's rating already has "sixual Themes" so it wouldn't really make a difference. And of course it would have been bonus work, just like all the things that didn't make it into the game, the deeper narrative and characters and everything else that falls short. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have done it, the game was released far too early.

because there are websites for this stuff

Not all nudity = porm.

A part of it is also the ESRB rating System would possibly rate the game at advlts Only instead of simply Mature preventing some of the audience from buying the game and many of the retail outlets from carrying it !

That really isn't a justifiable argument from reducing quality. Example: every great movie and book.

Perhaps but it is a fact of life --- many retail outlets will not carry a game if it has an advlt Only rating which therefore cuts down on the distribution channel and limiting sales so most game companies will do what they need to to keep a Mature rating instead of advlt Only so that stores like Walmart, Target,K-mart, Game Stop, etc. will carry the game !!

Quite true...but still sad. I remember how my book wasn't published for a similar reason. Art + Business = NOPE!

That is correct. However, strife, although I understand where you're coming from in the nudity as an expression of art, I'd say it has
a very long way to go to be perceived as such in video game industry. It is somewhat unfair, since it IS recognized as art in
paintings and sculpture, (for example) but when it comes to games all it seems to do is create controversy, as typically some misinformed
"save the children" group starts raising hell about some perceived threat to purity of today's youth, if a game includes six and nudity.

And, of course, a game would also have to deal with a much higher rating, up to and including being banned in some countries, which limits
profits as a result of limiting the audience.

And when we discuss nudity, we also have to consider that not all nudity is created equal in the eyes of the critics. So when you're talking
about nudity as art, do you mean both genders, or just girls? Because I honestly can't picture a game being ballsy (pardon the pun) enough
to have naked guys in it.

Of course both genders and all forms of sixuality to boot.

Same thing happened with other mediums. They stirred up controversy when they started adding those themes and it helped them become art.

Push the envelope, and don't duck and cover when the s*** hits the fan. If we don't follow that, then there's not point in gaming's existence. Of course, I don't want every game to have nudity, just like I don't want every movie, TV series and book to have nudity in it. Developers should know when to do that and we as consumers should have the good taste to support those who do it right and not buy Dead or Alive XXL edition.

In a nicer world, perhaps.

Sad truth, but it's OK to have blood, gore and detached limbs flying around, but NOT OK to have nudity.

I suppose this will change eventually.... slowly. But as you know, the way the economy is, a company that tries to
push the envelope can end up with substantial losses, as well as potential media scrutiny and more troubles
than they would care to deal with. So I don't blame companies (especially a smaller developer such as Arkane) for
playing it safe and not stirring the pot.... so to speak.

I don't either and it is quite sad, as you mentioned.

It's also sad to see developers on /v/ and /vg/ sharing the "dark side" of the development process on their games.

Most of the time it's gratuitous and not for art's sake, so sure, I wouldn't miss it. I also don't think it's worth a zot to create nvde models just for the sake of showing some racy bits. Everyone touts The Witcher 2's "maturity" and there is absolutely nothing added to the game by the nvde bits, certainly not to its maturity- which I define in more philosophical terms than just what its rating is. In fact I'd say it adds to the cheese factor if anything.

Then again, in what you say about the game not dealing with any serious issues or being superficial, I think we're just talking about different games. Can't imagine you must mean Dishonored.

Hey, I was struggling with coming off with an answer to clarify my thoughts, but you pretty well nailed it. Most of the time, nudity is gratuitous, which is why I don't like it. It's not offensing me, it's just that I hate when games use these subterfuges to appeal to a young male audience. Because, as I was trying to point out, nudity is, weirdly ( and that's ironic ), strictly limited to women. Wearing high heels. God I hate action female character wearing high heels. It's so stupid. (/offtopic rant off)

I was also thinking of the movie industry. During the 80's/90's, we often had long six scenes with pseudo-romantic score playing behind. This scenes have disappeared nowdays. They were useless ( hardly romantic ), and probably got people offended, so better to save some movie time. We didn't need to see multiple-minutes-long six scenes with two people simulating the sixual act to get that, YEAH, they were in love. Some exceptions can occur, obviously. Terminator 1 six scene was needed since it was a pivotal moment in the story. Sorry for the lame example, it was the first that came to mind

Celan is also quoting the Witcher 2. I don't like the Witcher games, claiming to be "dark mature games". What the hell are mature games? Because there is gore and nudity, it's a mature game? Damn, that pretty well illustrates why nudity ( as well as gore! ) is such a lame tool. We don't even expect the audience to be more than horny young males. So the Witcher 2 nudity is pointless. Even more, it's slowing the story by showing absolutely useless because unnecessary bits. Hardly mature.

On the other hand, I recently watched a little French amateur emission dedicated to video games, which chose Erotism as a subject this week. While speaking of weird games like "bikini squad samourais" and the "what-the-hell-was-that?" mini games in Dead or Alive ( i believe ), they also showed games in which erotism was actually being used as a real emotion. They spoke of Silent Hill 2 with its extremely sick "orgies" between Pyramid-head and the Nurses, and well, there was no nudity here. Just sick monsters doing sick things. They also spoke of Catherine, which did a marvelous job at telling us a really mature story about a man who cheat on his girlfriend. The visuals and collectibles aren't using nudity, but they are quite good in a suggestive way. Catherine's cards depicting her in various pin-up poses. Much like the Witcher 1 did, actually. Before moving to explicit 3D cutscenes.

Last I'd also like to point out Amnesia, which is by no mean erotic or anything, but had the balls if I may say so, to show full male nudity. It was nice, for a change.

Sadly even The Witcher 2 didn't handle that part well, so yeah it didn't really add anything else. But that's not to say it can't, quite the contrary.

It's not dealing with any serious issues. Tell me how it deals with corruption, tell me how it portrays the dictatorship of the Lord Regent, tell me how it deals with betrayal, abuse of power and so on so forth. Because those things didn't really get attention apart from the most obvious.



You don't know anything about The Witcher 2 then. I'd suggest sitting down and watching a walkthrough and you will see why it's a "mature" game.