So, we have one guy supporting it, VS a room full of IGN guys saying that it mostly is a bad idea. Correction, one of the 4 is on the fence. I think that is a similar demographic to who supports the p2p system. You guys are NOT the "Silent majority" here.

Was going to reply, Old Night beat me to it

Very good example here of what most gamers are thinking right now, including myself. They had the chance to make a game that we were excited to play for years and years, and now it's turned into a distraction for a couple of months.

Mhm, but you neglect his influence, it's not a random Joe that put up a youtube video out of the blue to rage/really devoted fan about it. His channel is successful meaning lot's of people listen to his reasoning, and will agree with him. This is not a situation where hobo is protesting in front of the Wall Street with a "Doom is Near" sign...

MMOs need to start specializing servers of course ESo already has megaservers in place so not an option here.

1 Basic servers, pve,pvp, ffa, Your standard mmo servers.

2 Immersive roleplaying servers, weather effects that effect your health, camping and weather gear, no instant travel, eat and drink animations, housing and physical copies of books and artifacts to place, sitting in chairs(I know some of you combat only crowd feel oppressed if we roleplayers can sit in chairs so it would be only for an immersive server), leathal diseases and poisons that affect your stats, horses that stay and don't disappear in thin air, farming.

3 F2P for the takers so they can all be on the same server and everyone else can avoid the N bombs and F bombs every 3 secs and enjoy their game in peace.

I doubt IGN is a Hobo either...in addition, while he has 74k views, the comments that are left basically state the public's opinion on the matter.

Wait so P2P stops the N bombs and F bombs now? When did this happen?

i am still waiting for someone to show me a game that was b2p/f2p and of better quality and longer life span than the best p2p mmo's. thats the argument i am waiting to see get resolved.

Then don't buy it.

You can't tell the future.

Yet, here you are.

Mean while, I'll play the first few months. You can wait until it becomes free if you want.

any game with a massive fan base will also have people who live to annoy others. like you say pay model changes nothing. f2p games tend to be the worst though since all you need is a gmail account to make a new in game account and start trolling all over again

Except that every time on any forum a poll is made, subscription wins. Apparently you are not aware of it

Lets not bother with IGN, those people have zero credibility

Except that every poll I have seen taken has had such a short window of being open, it smack of shenanigans. IGN is not credible? We can go with Kotaku then. Kotaku not credible? How about Reddit, where the masses speak for themselves. Not credible? How about the ESO facebook page. Wherever you want to go, we can go there.

Also, it's obvious that GW2 is the gold standard for F2P games that people should look at. People keep trying to decry it, but numbers do not lie

http://techland.time.com/2013/08/16/guild-wars-2-nabs-fastest-selling-western-mmo-crown-looks-east-for-more-records/

Thats 3 millions purchases, and they are looking at even more when it releases in asia...possibly even surpassing WOW.

What? you want average subscriber numbers? who cares, because I can stop playing and come back anytime I wish without wanting or feeling obligated to play due to a subscription.

So, in the end, GW2 PROVES B2P is successful, even if you guys dont like the game, OBVIOUSLY enough people do for it to earn it's title, churn out content like it does, and keep going strong.

/drops mic.

Happy people won't even bother to comment on the P2P side of things. In fact, the pro-P2P community only posts anywhere on this subject as a defensive measure. If these threads would stop popping up, you'd find only a couple of threads created in support of P2P, simply because people don't create threads to 'thumbs up' - people mostly create threads to 'thumbs down'.

This is the same with virtually any change made in any game since the dawn of the internet. It is simply not a viable source of research to draw from. Thankfully it is also true that forum-fatigue will kick in soon enough and acceptance or 'chillaxing' will set in so we can get back to things that really matter; nothing at all ever in the history of games.

ZOS spent a ton of money to have experts tell them how to do their payment plan. That trumps your guesses, feelings, hunches, personal data, silly polls, and whatever else makes you think what you do.

There is nothing illegal, immoral, or unethical in the P2P plan.

You can show all the math, makes charts, bring up real life example of different games and it would not even come close to covering the homework that ZOS put in to figuring out the best plan for them.

It is a business. Pass or fail, this is what they will do.

All you have to ask yourselves is, will I buy the game or not. I will, because I know I will enjoy the game. How long I will enjoy the game, only time will tell. Join me and have fun in ESO or go play something else.

Either way, I wish you well. Have a nice day.

So by your own admission F2P games are not F2P . . . also have the purchases that you've made in game given you a significant advantage in the game?

My opinion is that a well-crafted good MMORPG with a subscription fee will always trump free to play. F2P kind of exploits the ADD crowd and definitely relies on impulsive buying.

Don't get me wrong there will be people who will impulsively buy ESO and impulsively pay subscriptions for it, but people have some decisions to make . . . namely, do they keep on playing crappy (and I do mean crappy) F2P and B2P games and/or P2P games that have become stale and old aka WoW, or do they get ready for and buy into the next generation MMORPGs and let me tell you ESO is a next generation MMORPG.

I played F2P games the svck major a$$ and the money I did spend on them would have been better spent elsewhere.

People should learn to make some cutbacks let go of the old crappy games and budget for a new great MMORPG experience that I believe ESO will deliver. Cynics meet ME the Optimist!!! If they put out a good game I will buy and keep on playing . . . it's a big if, but the market has shown that there is an opening for the next big subscription bases MMORPG, WoW is struggling and the sharks in the water are the F2P and B2P games out there that are siphoning off customers and diluting gaming to the point of absurdity. Go ahead play all the F2P and B2P MMOs that you want. I plan to buy into ESO (if you can't see that I have already than shame on you) and support innovation and radically different MMO mechanics that will only enrich the genre, if not by means of success than by a lesson in failure. BRING IT P2P

Honestly i'm more concerned on how the actual game will look when it comes out,rather than payment plan. Game can either be exceptional or disastrous with any of the models mentioned here. If service the devs provide is on par with what they advertised (most people i talked to think of ESO as a Wow replacement) people will play it. What i am thankful is that with p2p you can at least be sure there will be no paywalls, which degrade experience for me.

TES forum opinion =/= Majority of gamer's opinion

Losing certain peoples interest does not mean they will make less money with this system...

Well said sir, well said!

Always the same thread same argument. IT IS WHAT IT IS ladies and gents, SOME of us are Happy SOME of us arent . Can we atleast make it to launch day and see how ti goes before everyone goes ham on these forums everyday.. please?

The game will stand or fall on it's content and playability, not it's cost. If it has poor play, bad quest, p2w shop, it will fail. If it provides good quests, challenges, and exploration, has only fluff in store, and offers good updates and support, it will succeed.

As a TES fan, you are not entitled to ESO for the same price you got previous TES games. These are different games.

As console players, you are not entitled to cheaper sub fees just because MS/PS charge you to use their servers. That has nothing to do with ZOS.

A $60 game gives you 15-20 hrs game play. ESO will be provideing over 150 hrs game play initially. The monthly updates will expand that.

You get what you pay for.

False. I am entitled to expect a game developer to make a game for the console and not feel like I am being jipped.

Pay more for a game just because it's on console? That is being svckered. Not MY fault they decided to release on console. It is THEIR responsibility to make sure it works with the consoles systems already in place.

They didn't even have to release it on console at all - nothing forced them to. And in doing so, they have obviously had to make some serious adjustments. Cutting their own income should not be one of them , but they seem to appreciate that console players are being shafted by MS/PS so they are in talks with them to try to alleviate this issue.

Hats off to them to be honest.

It's not THEIR fault you opted for console instead of pc.

And not everyone agrees. I've read some of the comments on some of those sites:

Opinions are going to differ. If the game is bad, and Zenimax doesn't hold up its end, the game will fail, go free to play, or disappear completely. Zenimax has made its announcement, and I doubt they will change things before launch.

As for the console thing; Not Zenimax's fault you aren't using a computer. They did not make it for the last gen consoles because they knew it wouldn't work. They have made a product. It does work with the new console systems already in place The consumer decides whether it is worth buying or not. If the price doesn't suit, wait until it goes f2p or whatever. From the posts some people are making in thread like this, you'll only have to wait 6 months or less.

I'm not sure what exactly is broken that you expect Zenimax to fix. Since the game hasn't even released yet, and they've announced their plans, nothing is broken. Not meeting some people's expectations, yes. Broken, no.