Yeah, no kidding on the much-more-savage degree. Jeez, those things are [censored] vicious.

I agree. Sneak attacks that do x4 damage as a werewolf would be great! It's part of how wolves hunt. They are ambush predators.

Oh really? I am quite aware of the dirty tricks you use to improve your werewolf. Likewise, they can be used in conjunction with the vampire lord as well; though I'm sure you're well aware of that. Anyways, I think you have it mixed up there buddy. In an open area a WW would get it's hide tanned against a VL. Running in closing circles won't save you from my grip either if I'm on a high enough sensitivity... Plus, even if it doesn't actually pick you up; I can continually tap it over and over to chain-stun you. I have exacly 1000 magicka in VL form so I can definitely sustain the chain stunning. Blood bombs do 87.5 damage and I doubt that you have over 1000 health sooo... about 10 to 12 in quick succession will kill you.

If you some how managed to escape and got a 420 dmg claw on me I can always enter mist form and fly away to a safer location (perferably a lake). Though, if I met you in a dungeon... you would most definitely have the edge on me. Gripping you and keeping my distance would be next to impossible.
With all that said you must realize that you aren't the only creature at the top of the food chain. Vamps are on more equal grounds with you now.
(Not that we never were)

Didn't mean to hijack the topic but in an open plain you would have a difficult time getting a lock on me my good sir, your blood bombs and health drain wouldn't really dent my werewolf ( he's a beserker build with ridiculous amounts of health and stamnina ) so you'd end up relying on your gargoyles for defense. Your mist form only lasts for 10 seconds and as a werewolf I'm able to track you still with the use of Sent of blood or I can use the werewolf summons to do the tracking for me and once you re-materialize my spectral werewolves will be there to cut you down. As for the " Dirty tricks " they are not dirty by any means, it's being a smart werewolf and it's those " dirty tricks " that allow me to kill Legendary dragons while in beast form, it also aided me in the killing of Harkon.
I'm not saying that either is better then the other, I'm saying that in experienced hands the werewolf is a force to be reckoned with, I'm positive that once you fangers get to know your form you will as well be a force to reckon with but as of right now I have experience on my side. And before someone throws the video of vampires Vs werewolves out there, I'll just say this.... They where AI controlled werewolves/vampires you cannot compare that to a player controlled werewolf/vampire, we're able to think outside the box where as the AI is not.

At level 46, werewolves do up to 960 damage with the sprinting power attack.

Sneaking is cool, another thing though if the vampire lord can fly then werewolves should too. Also they shouldnt be attacked without provacation. Maybe in the next dlc if enough people ask for it.

How? by running in circles? Ya know I'm not trying to snipe ya right? I can hold down the grip until it catches you then proceede to repeatedly tap it.

Seranna isn't my follower.... and even with a berserker build you don't have over 1100 health (probably less). 87.5x12 is 1050 damage... At max it'll take 14 blood bombs to end you. You can't heal either. If you were to however run and bag some game to recuperate... it would only buy me some time to find a lake. You know who wins if that happens...

Aha, You think me a fool don't you? Gargoyles? that's a deadman's move. I know one or two hits from you would end them and just allow you to close the gap. If anything I'd use them against your specteral WWs as a distraction; Or if you ran off too eat, as cover. Plus I have two bats teleports to use if Mist form ran out and Supernatual reflexes as the emergency turbo should you and your wolves be able to keep up with me. Also, your spectral wolves are no match for me either. I can't be stun locked by them nor do they have your perks and Vampire lords at lvl 46 have a 300 AR so they're slashes are rendered a step up from mere scratches.

I'm not saying that either is better then the other, I'm saying that in experienced hands; the Vampire Lord is a force to be reckoned with, I'm positive that once more and more fangers get to know our form; we will be an even stronger force to be reckoned with than before. But, as of right now there are few who are as experienced as I am.

I agree, I wonder how a PVP situation would play out.


Edit: If you wish to discuss this further... let me know. I'll make a thread for it in the general discussion

Werewolves can't use the magic that the Vampire Lord uses to fly. Mainly because werewolves can't use magic. In the next DLC? Almost certainly not, because nobody will ask for it. As for people attacking a werewolf without provocation, answer this question first; would you stand and stare at a werewolf as it comes running full speed at you?

Lol no need to start a new thread, there's been plenty already and they usually go down a spammy road and end up closed. Thanks for the offer though
As for running circles, no I wouldn't be running circles. The werewolf is more agile while sprinting then most people think, you are able to take defensive maneuvers as a werewolf while sprinting without dropping out of sprint ( it takes a light touch when turning ). This debate could go on for ages with each of us countering the other, the only real way to know for sure would be to pit a player controlled werewolf against a player controlled vampire lord but that wont be happening anytime soon. ( unless the next TES has multi-player ) I've read every post in every topic concerning vampire lord Vs werewolf and both are evenly matched, sad that it cannot be tested outside of NPC testing it would make for an EPIC battle IMO.

A flying werewolf? I think I will pass on that.
Hey its really rude to derail someone thread Naughty.

Yes, that would be an awesome battle.

Back on topic: Yes sneak should be availiable to the two beast forms; though I think the forms should be automatically undectectable just by moving slowly. They both (werewolf anyways) have a sneak animation when walking all ready. A simple patch would be allot easier than another DLC.

That's my fault, don't blame DTH. Sorry OP I'll remain on topic from here on in, here's a and an to make up for my derailing of your topic

Would be awesome!!! I really hope this is the next upgrade to werewolves.

This thread is funny.

Anyway, yes - being able to sneak would be awesome. However, when I play my werewolf I feel like an overwhelming force - kind of like a tsunami or earthquake - and neither of those things are very sneaky!

I would absolutely love the ability to sneak as a werewolf. They are predators, hunters, the act of Sneaking is something they excel at.

Indeed. And even big werewolves can sneak. Ever seen Van Helsing?

I wish we could sneak in werewolf form. Why not? Also charging attacks. Like run up and tackle/attack the enemy. Can't count how many times I've run past the enemy and had to turn around lol.

I can't think of very many predators that reached the top of the foodchain without being able to effectively sneak. I look at my two dogs as a good example. One of them snuck up, and approached her prey stealthily and quietly. She managed to catch over 50 birds in our backyard. Our other dog charged at them at full speed, barking the entire time, and never caught a single one.

Werewolves should definitely be able to sneak up on their prey. A true hunter does not just charge straight ahead, and I really hope that Vsions will be able to at least get three things (werebears, forced lunar transformations, and sneaking werewolves) implemented into future Skyrim DLCs.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i41/tmh_froggie/goodies/3ea24fc3f2a6f2995fb1eafe225bac08-1.gif

Vsions always seems to flee when the talk of werebears comes up. >.>

Between the 5 of us we should be able to keep the idea alive and on the front page, but as VideoGameMage said Vsions always manages to sneak off when the discussions get good.

edit : I spaced out and forgot that it's really me, Werewolf&Vampire, VideoGameMage, Rel_Dovahkin, dmel25 that push the most for werewolves and vampires to be tweaked or recognized as werewolf/vampire buffs.

I think if they did away with the whole "timer" thing that causes you to transform back to human, sneaking would be a better. Let me decide when I want to change back. Its hard to sneak up or stalk your prey when right when you go to attack you turn into your humanoid form. I would find that annoying. As the werewolf mechanics are at this time, sneaking would only help to silently take out the enemy but you still need to be quick. When I turn into werewolf form I rush through the enemy in a raging fury of destruction and chaos. Cause the timer is ticking.

In my mind, a werewolf sneaking around would be like the Hulk sneaking around.

Indeed. We have a fairly decent sized group of fanatics who keep pushing for things like this to be added. Hopefully our dedication will pay off in spades.

You would be surprised at just how nimble Hulk can be when he wants to

I'm also for the Werewolf sneaking, as well as Vampire Lord Sneaking. Both would be fantastic!