Would Tiber Septim be a member of the Stormcloaks or the Imp : V - Skyrim

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 am

This.
Though, I'm pretty sure Wulf was the aspect of Septim, or the part of Talos that was Septim.

I don't know he seems more like Wulfharth to me.

» Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:49 pm

This forum seems full of heretics.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:50 am

This forum seems full of heretics.

Hmmm a thalmor? Now now, Auri-El ascend too, so is Auri-El false then?

But enough of this let's get back to the topic at hand.

» Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:59 pm

The dude tells you himself that the Empire's days are numbered in Morrowind. Having said that, I somehow doubt he'd be willing to sign on with them...

That's what puzzles me, too. He wasn't so proud of the Empire back then, so he probably wouldn't support them now.
Maybe I just have a hard time imagining the founder of the Third Empire fighting against the...

You know... thinking about it, he'd probably be pretty willing to fight against the current Empire (the heads of it, that is). And then he'd establish his own again.

» Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:42 pm

The Empire. Because he founded it, and wouldn't want it to crumble.
Tiber Septim is definitely not my favorite historical figure, but he'd probably unite Tamriel, and not tear apart the Empire, which would be the opposite of everything he has fought for in his life.

This.

» Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:16 pm

First he would take the Empire and spank them. And then take the Stormcloaks and spank them. And then he would make them shut up and attack the Aldmeri Dominion that dare threaten his existence.

Okay, I have a hilarious image of him bending Tullius and Ulfric over his knees and paddling their pink rumps with a wooden spoon. xD

But yes, he would do something like that. Play the two rival factions for his own gain and attack the Dominion. Last time, it was more than two factions, so this would be cakewalk for him.

But then again, according to an aspect of him in Morrowind, he didn't seem too proud of the way his Empire turned out. He'd probably try to re-establish HIS Empire and say, "OK, here are a few things you need to know to not royally screw things over again."

» Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:59 pm

Why do people think that Tiber Septim would cheerfully sign up for the Stormcloaks because he was a Nord? The historical Tiber Septim was a brilliant, ruthless general and all-around magnificent bastard; I doubt that appealing to his sense of racial pride would work. It's not like the man went around hailing Nords as the "True Sons and Daughters of the Empire".

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:22 am

Why do people think that Tiber Septim would cheerfully sign up for the Stormcloaks because he was a Nord?

Maybe it has something to do with the man himself saying "the empire's days are numbered" in Morrowind, and the ultimatum of Imperials OR Stormcloaks.

» Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:39 pm

The Empire. Because he founded it, and wouldn't want it to crumble.
Tiber Septim is definitely not my favorite historical figure, but he'd probably unite Tamriel, and not tear apart the Empire, which would be the opposite of everything he has fought for in his life.

The Empire in TES V: Skyrim, isn't his Empire. It's the Mede Empire, not the Septim Empire. Like others have pointed out, Talos himself in the form of Wulf, said that the Empire was going to crumble.
Oddfrid White-Lip, the "talking skull" in the Bloodmoon expansion, also prophesized the fall of the Empire. It said "when the dragon dies, the Empire dies". When TES IV: Oblivion came out, we thought he was specifically talking about when Akatosh appeared. But instead, could it been referring to Alduin as "the dragon"? Alluding to when after Alduin falls, the Empire will crumble as well? I believe so. The Empire is on life support, and the plug is about to be pulled.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:10 am

If the United States started to believe that George Washington was a horrible president and not worthy of our time, and a small group of Americans decided to secede because they personally loved George Washington and some would even say they worshiped him , and if you then asked who would George Washington support in a war and you sumised that he would support the United States simply because he founded it , you wouldn't be very bright.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:22 am

The Empire in TES V: Skyrim, isn't his Empire. It's the Mede Empire, not the Septim Empire. Like others have pointed out, Talos himself in the form of Wulf, said that the Empire was going to crumble.
Oddfrid White-Lip, the "talking skull" in the Bloodmoon expansion, also prophesized the fall of the Empire. It said "when the dragon dies, the Empire dies". When TES IV: Oblivion came out, we thought he was specifically talking about when Akatosh appeared. But instead, could it been referring to Alduin as "the dragon"? Alluding to when after Alduin falls, the Empire will crumble as well? I believe so. The Empire is on life support, and the plug is about to be pulled.

That's some pretty far-out foreshadowing. If that would've happened, they'd probably need to have atleast a basic story drawn out for TES IV & V.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:30 am

The Empire in TES V: Skyrim, isn't his Empire. It's the Mede Empire, not the Septim Empire. Like others have pointed out, Talos himself in the form of Wulf, said that the Empire was going to crumble.
Oddfrid White-Lip, the "talking skull" in the Bloodmoon expansion, also prophesized the fall of the Empire. It said "when the dragon dies, the Empire dies". When TES IV: Oblivion came out, we thought he was specifically talking about when Akatosh appeared. But instead, could it been referring to Alduin as "the dragon"? Alluding to when after Alduin falls, the Empire will crumble as well? I believe so. The Empire is on life support, and the plug is about to be pulled.

See my other post. I've realized that he'd probably try to make the current Empire crumble and reestablish a new one under his rule.
"The dragon" is probably referring to the dragon-blooded line of Emperors, and the Third Empire did indeed fall with it.

» Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:27 pm

Talos the Mighty would undoubtedly side with the Empire. Talos would use CHIM to bring a truce between the Empire and Stormcloaks and rise against the Thalmor together. Once the Thalmor have been defeated, the Stormcloaks will have zero reason to exist and will be assimilated back into the Empire.

» Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:51 pm

If the United States started to believe that George Washington was a horrible president and not worthy of our time, and a small group of Americans decided to secede because they personally loved George Washington and some would even say they worshiped him , and if you then asked who would George Washington support in a war and you sumised that he would support the United States simply because he founded it , you wouldn't be very bright.

If the United States was being pressured to do so after a pyrrhic victory, still secretly believed that GW was a great president and even turned a blind eye to the GW-supporters so long as they kept quiet about it...well, you can see where I'm going with this.

» Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:30 pm

If the United States was being pressured to do so after a pyrrhic victory, still secretly believed that GW was a great president and even turned a blind eye to the GW-supporters so long as they kept quiet about it...well, you can see where I'm going with this.

Yeah but you're thinking like an average person, who's main concern is staying alive at all costs. You think that a general who was willing to lay his life on the line to win at all costs against what many considered insurmountable odds would sympathize with people who compromised their beliefs because they were too chicken to actually fight for them, whilst turing a blind eye to those who stood up and were willing to risk all? No way.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:34 am

The Stormcloaks want to be free of the empire, not rule it, not conquer Tamriel. They just weant to be left alone within their own land. If you think a power hungry warlord would be ok with that you don't know what you're talking about. If Tiber Septim was alive once more he'd settle for nothing less than the throne of the known world. Of course the empire and the stormcloaks are both likely to fall to their knees as soon as he appeared, so there probably wouldn't even be a conflict anymore. If the Mede empire actually stuck to their guns he'd lead the Nords, not the stormcloaks, and reclaim the empire, for then to march against the Aldmeri Dominion.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:45 am

Tiber Septim would have enough brains to unite under the Empire and then attack the Dominion.

Under the Empire? My friend, you don't know Talos very well.

» Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:46 pm

If the United States started to believe that George Washington was a horrible president and not worthy of our time, and a small group of Americans decided to secede because they personally loved George Washington and some would even say they worshiped him , and if you then asked who would George Washington support in a war and you sumised that he would support the United States simply because he founded it , you wouldn't be very bright.

That's not the case though. Even the Aldmeri Diminion recognizes Tiber Septim as a great emperor, they just don't want him worshipped as a god. Furthermore it would not be a battle over America, but for one tiny part of it to secede. And when it at the same time is a huge threat against the union and the only way to keep it safe till they can fight back is to pretend George Washington isn't a god ... Your anology really doesn't make much sense.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:29 am

And when it at the same time is a huge threat against the union and the only way to keep it safe till they can fight back is to pretend George Washington isn't a god ... Your anology really doesn't make much sense.

Keep it safe???? They're fighting the people who want their land back, the Nords who actually want to stand up and fight the Dominion, yet they handed over Hammerfell which was fine with being part of the Empire to allow thier citizens to be slaughtered by the Dominion...... Your anology doesn't make much sense.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:31 am

Keep it safe???? They're fighting the people who want their land back

Exactly! You think Talos would want them to get their land back? He'd slaughter every nord before he'd let them be free.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:08 am

Exactly! You think Talos would want them to get their land back? He'd slaughter every nord before he'd let them be free.

what

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:47 am

Considering the Imperials banned the worship of him, they probably would do all in their power to try to get rid of Talos, so I vote Stormcloak

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:20 am

Tiber Septim would be on the side of Tiber Septim. He'd reprimand the Empire and the Stormcloaks for their stupid little war then he'd declare war single-handedly on the Aldmeri Dominion and proceed to wipe them out.

THAT is how we take care of business properly, and that's what Dovahkiin should do.

this.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:52 am

Considering the Imperials banned the worship of him, they probably would do all in their power to try to get rid of Talos, so I vote Stormcloak

...except the Imperials also worship Talos. They're just waaaay better at keeping their heads down and their religious inclinations to themselves.

» Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:19 am

Considering the Imperials banned the worship of him, they probably would do all in their power to try to get rid of Talos, so I vote Stormcloak

Get rid of him? Why? Most Imperials are Talos worshippers, and if anything, they'd embrace him. Who needs to fear the genocidal Thalmor when you have an Aedra on your side?