Well regardless, if you slaughter camp forlorn hope they say "our forces suffered a huge blow at camp forlorn hope, we wont forget that" That is why I asked. And I doubt they adopted that style before they decided to expand, or if they ever adopted that style at all.

I was replying to epicness who was; of course the BoS are a military organisation and to compare them to the NCR in terms of who is fit to govern is quite silly really.

QUOTE: "Degenerates like you belong on a cross... also how does my hat look, profilgate?"


Ha ha... mesa like. Of course, party hats could scarcely look sillier than that one guy with the dog on his head. Not that you'd want to argue with him, given that he did the Nelson lottery. When you've got a serious sicko, you just nod and smile and tell him what he wants to hear. And then snipe him from 800 yards away.

It would be interesting if Bethseda could release some DLC that took place within the Legion's borders. It would be interesting to find out exactly what life was like there. Remember that the real Roman Empire was noted not only for its brutality and expansionism, but also for its civilization, its art and culture, and the quality of life it offered its citizens.

Yah but i dont here any of them say that "ohh it was a crushing blow to NCR, they just say yah we lost some troops but we took it dont worry."

You know you honestly make no sense right?

Expecting them to break down and cry over it?
Oliver doesn't care, Moore probably doesn't care much, Kimball likely doesn't. The rest do, the men on the ground all the way up to Hsu, they care.


As for the BoS being the best? Person for person they probably are (depends on if we count MK2 securitrons as people) but strip their armour and they're nothing. More importantly, they lack numbers, that's not an "if they do X then they wouldn't". They do, they always will until they're killed off.
Why? They're fundamentalist technophilic morons who's only moral guidance is a book. Sorry, codex.

They've had it well and truly kicked out of them, the west coast BoS are done for unless they change their ways, which they won't. It's just a matter of time, how long does the NCR want to try and salvage their tech before they give up and just bury them alive?

That is true if they dont shape up their gonna lose what all they have gained. Also loose peoples lives that shouldnt be lost. They need to be like lyons or dont follow the codex all the time.

I would force march every last troop back to the DC wastes. Then we would lay seige Rivit City to once and for all put the flight decks to proper use.

Well I'd take Vegas and then sit down with a nice nuka cola and some sugar bombs and chillaxe for the next 20 years.

I would complety reform the Legion while seeking technology used in Robo Brains to live forever. First thing first is to declear a truce with the NCR and kill Caeser's officer core and body guards, honestly I wouldn't trust them. The second thing would be to free the slaves more or less, but demand they don't leave to Vegas or California yet. Third thing would to be to sign a formal peace treaty with both the NCR and House respectively with conditions. One of the important things would be a withdrawal of NCR forces east of I-15 and the removal of Camp Mccaran. They can keep Primm, GoodSprings, Nipton, and even the Dam. Hell I'll even let them keep the Quarry and continue work on the railline, but that's it. No NCR bases in the region and only Outpost east of I-15. Knowing the warhawks this would be a hard sell, but I'll "convince" them with threats of terrorism and all out war if they don't agree, in this scenario let's imagine Kimball's dead to make things easier.

With House I would have no demands except Legion officer and eventually citizens been allowed to travel to Vegas freely. After that internal matters are more important, I'm basically leaning a bunch of illerate tribals. First thing first is to create a organized bureacracy of a government instead of military core. Using my vast knowledge we would create a democracy more or less. The executive signs treaties, leads the army, and is voted for by the council of elders. I would be acting executive until my death, which I would try to avoid at all cost. The council of elders would be the legislature, made up of different groups with the Legion. The last branch would simply be the enforcers who would make sure the constitution isn't being violated. The legion would slowly transform into a NCR-like society while opening up more and more to the outside. A key part would be proper education for the children and citizens. By the time I'd be finished I'd of reprogrammed that robobrain and live as executive forever. Democracy would be from California to New Mexico and the world would be that much better off.

Okay I've decided to do a serious post here. If I were really the head of the legion.

My first changes may seem like anti-legion but they're not really, it's all part of the overhaul.


1. Legate Lanius has outlived his usefullness and would be disposed off, I'd leave Vulpes Inculta to come up with an accident.
2. Lucius would be promoted in the Legates place with Vulpes Inculta as his advisor, there will be a record kept of all goings on. There will always be someone trained to take over in the case of an emergency.
3. The priestesses will be retired to live out their lives in solitude in recognition of their previous service. Sacrifices will no longer be suported by the Legion, not outlawed but the practice allowed to die out on its own.
4. Children will be raised by their parents. The young males will be assessed at an early age for their suitability as a Legionary and sent to Legionary training where they will cut ties with all their family and be devoted to becoming warriors of the Legion, failure will still not be tolerated.
5. Women will be freed and given citizenship. They will fight for their homes if the circumstances arise, which they will receive training for, but will still not be accepted as a legionary or permitted to fight in the arena.
6. Slavery will not be abolished, but all conquered peoples will be enslaved regardless of gender and no outsiders will be accepted into the legion army anymore. They will continue to be tribute and form the base workforce in agriculture and domestic work etc. Any children of slaves will remain slaves but excess numbers will be absorbed into the Legion as full citizens with no discrimination towards them .
7.Cannabilism and will be outlawed and punishable by death, and chems will still be banned. The crime and punishment system will be kept in place.

The Legion will use the dam to keep the Ncr tied up and wasting their rescources on. Meanwhile forces will gathering at a couple of the outposts where their objective will be Ncr's Mojave outpost, with the aim to cut the Ncr's supply line. At the same time a group of Assassins will be sent to wipe out 188 leaving no survivors. Just to put the wind up the Ncr.

That's a part of what I would do if I were the head of the Legion. Now Boones glaring at me so I'll have to go and kill some Legion to convince him that I'm not going to defect.

Make everyone disco dance, in a cave...

they dont know how to dance...you need to teach them.

I will walk out onto a large platform, surrounded by my men. On the platform is a table, with nothing on it but a red circle and two green ones. I place my hands where the two green ones are, and say "My good people...." Then I slam my fist down on the red one and say "I demand graqes!"

No explanation.

What would I do? Reform it to fit the doctrine of Khorne. That also means no more influences of Slaanesh, so stuff like torture, [censored], and chems for enjoyment are out. Anyone caught will have their heads removed on the spot and added to an ever growing throne made out of skulls. The bodies will be fed to the dogs.

Cowards are killed, those who fight are get caught are offered to join. Doesn't matter who or what you are, as long as you are strong.

Stop the ridiculous pseudo-Roman BS and make the Legion a true faction instead of a sophisticated raider gang.

Yes, but how. The faction already exists so we're stuck with them.

And how exactly is Legion not a "true faction" at the moment?

lol exactly there just a group of savages trying to look important.

Given how much territory they control, I'd say they're fairly important.

The Legion svcks ass, but they are a faction alright, and a pretty damn succesful one too. It's hard to admit, but even the Legion has got its advantages.

ontopic: If I become the head of Caesar's Legion I try and form an alliance with Mr. House and respect the conditions (e.g. he probably wouldn't want the Legion to get inside of the Lucky 38, which I would be fine with). Slavery is from now on abolished, and Lanius is crucified. This is the last crucifixion in the Mojave to ever take place. Vulpes is punished for his crimes (Nipton, Gomorrah). The punishment, however, isn't too bad, because at the time he did the crimes, everyone approved of them. He becomes my military advisor and the frumentarii gets an overhaul: Better equipment, more men (obviously, only the best men can be trained to become frumentarii, with more men I mean that these men will provide assisstance), if Mr. House approves of it I may even be able to use technology to help the frumentarii. With the aid of Mr. House, I defeat the NCR (it's too late to ally with them) and take control over the Mojave, except Vegas. Mr. House isn't inhumane, and wouldn't approve of the Legion enslaving Novac, Goodsprings or Primm citizens, so I don't, because I don't approve of it either.
The Mojave roads are constantly filled with Legion patrols. I recruit volunteer scientists to help upgrade the securitons, so that they can monitor the patrols and send the images for longer distances. Every patrol gets one securiton. Mortimer is crucified, and the other White Gloves are punished.
Of course, the abolishment of slavery will slow down the succes of the Legion, but I'm not inhumane.

I dunno, Gre-nades and HAM! I feel that Mr. House thinks way too highly of himself and his robots to ally with anyone, but pretty good regardless.

No, I think he will ally because he wants humanity to progress. Progress is kind of Mr. Houses thang.

Mr. House explains to you how he's not a war-hawk with a big ego, like Kimball, General Oliver, Moore and Caesar. Mr. House won't go to war with Caesar's Legion because he doesn't need to. He only attacks others when it's to save New Vegas, or to save himself. Any other war will be a waste of resources and securitons and he'll have nothing to win. Of course, if I would be the head of Caesar's Legion I would have a lot to win if I'd decide to attack Mr. House. But for the sake of progress, I let Mr. House in control over New Vegas, and ally with him.

Pfff...dude, the Legion can't dance?

Send the entire legion east to the Capital Wasteland with the mission to undo the bad writing and shallow characters found there.

no pff they do the savage dance and it svcks. YOU need to teach them.