Do you think dragons are, or were, real? : Othor Games

» Sat May 12, 2012 7:39 pm

Today I was driving through a very mountainy part of wales, and the little old lady driving the car said to me "Do you know, that those mountains are the bodies of slumbering Dragons?!". She's said the same thing to me atleast once a month for the last 26 years or so, but since playing far too much Skyrim recently, her words have really made me think.

Throughout history, and throughout the world, Dragons have been spoken of. Would this make you beleive that once upon a time they did infact exist?
Or do you go for the more logical approach that Dragons were just winged Dinosaurs?

Are there any of you out there who really think that maybe there's more to the mythical tales than just myths and that there really are Dragons sleeping deep below the earth close to the core, and that some day they will awaken and rise to the surface to retake the world?

Well there was this one book found by an old guy supposedly a part of a society trying to preserve dragons a LONG, LONG time ago, probably late 1800's early 1900's, and he dedicated a small part to some other peculiar animals as well. It was a weird animal that was like a deer with zebra legs, and another one that was a beaver/duck thing, he had illustrations oof them as well. They were later discovered, and are now called the okapi and the platypus.

No guarantee on that though, I need to find some sources

» Sat May 12, 2012 11:44 pm

You mean those weird "Join The Army" commercials where they're depicted as knights fighting a dragon or sniping robots on Mars are real after all?

Sure, the Government just hushes it up.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:36 am

my ex comes to mind..

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:58 am

I find it so funny how majority of people I meet don't believe that Dragons could have existed, due to the fact that there is no evidenceyet have some religious beliefs. Irony huh?

My Girlfriend would beg to differ.

I don't believe that Dragons existed, but I did watch a documentary about some gland in some ancient reptile might have caused a chemical reaction and made smoke/fire. There's always the possibility that it was a simple mistake.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:57 am

Whoever dreamt them up must have a really good imagination. Considering the closest thing to a Dragon back whenever they were first created would have been like... a crocodile or even a bird... Nobody since has imagined up such a clear animal with so little to base that image from. I don't think,

Manticores? Griffons? Sphynxes? Pegasus? Unicorn? Imagine a dinosaur and slap wings on it. Doesn't seem like much of a reach to me, but that's just the way I see it. :shrug:

Sure, I guess it's not impossible that they existed, but there are other explanations that seem far more likely.

» Sat May 12, 2012 10:29 pm

Well there was this one book found by an old guy supposedly a part of a society trying to preserve dragons a LONG, LONG time ago, probably late 1800's early 1900's, and he dedicated a small part to some other peculiar animals as well. It was a weird animal that was like a deer with zebra legs, and another one that was a beaver/duck thing, he had illustrations oof them as well. They were later discovered, and are now called the okapi and the platypus.

No guarantee on that though, I need to find some sources

Ummm, The Platypus was discovered in 1798. So a book with them written in the late 1800s wouldn't predate them.

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:04 am

Manticores? Griffons? Sphynxes? Pegasus? Unicorn? Imagine a dinosaur and slap wings on it. Doesn't seem like much of a reach to me, but that's just the way I see it. :shrug:

Sure, I guess it's not impossible that they existed, but there are other explanations that seem far more likely.

All those mythical creatures are just animals put together. Dinosaurs weren't known about in the same familiarity as any of the animals used in those mythical creatures.

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:36 am

Roman excursions into North Africa a possible reason?

Chances of them finding, excavating a fossil and piecing it together well enough to get a general image of a dinosaur while they were there?
Doubtful, but not impossible I suppose? :tongue:

Edit: Sorry about the double post.

» Sun May 13, 2012 3:44 am

All those mythical creatures are just animals put together. Dinosaurs weren't known about in the same familiarity as any of the animals used in those mythical creatures.

Giant lizard + wings = dragon? Seems like the same thing to me. :shrug:

I mean, people believed in much more outlandish and obviously-false things than that. The sun is a flaming chariot being driven across the sky every day...obviously nonsense, but a giant winged lizard? Nope, they wouldn't make something like that up.

» Sat May 12, 2012 7:19 pm

All those mythical creatures are just animals put together. Dinosaurs weren't known about in the same familiarity as any of the animals used in those mythical creatures.

Lizard + wings + enormous size. Not so hard to come up with, even without knowledge of dinosaurs.

EDIT: Looks like I've been :ninja:

'd.

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:04 am

Giant lizard + wings = dragon? Seems like the same thing to me. :shrug:

Suppose so. I still think to get the image we have now of a dragon, takes a little more imagination. Maybe not. :\

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:09 am

Ummm, The Platypus was discovered in 1798. So a book with them written in the late 1800s wouldn't predate them.

Okapi still holds up

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:40 am

You mean those weird "Join The Army" commercials where they're depicted as knights fighting a dragon or sniping robots on Mars are real after all?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M47_Dragon :hehe:

I shot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-71_TOW

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:55 am

Andy wins... Again

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:59 am

Dragons are not real. There were Dinosaurs (to refute the existence of Dinosaurs is..laughable) that had wings, but "Dragons"? No. The act of breathing fire like Dragons are depicted as doing is simply not possible.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:28 am

No, it is a flying lizard. Not a dragon at all. Pretty soon you're going to be claiming that any flying repitleish thing is a dragon. You can either argue for Dragons, or you can't. You can't argue for flying lizards.

The OP talked about dragons across history and from different cultures. Chinese dragons and Middle Eastern dragons don't have wings. Neither do classical Greek dragons. And Quetzalcoatl was 'just' a feathered serpent. You're thinking Medieval Europe and Hollywood. :cool:

» Sat May 12, 2012 6:19 pm

yeah.

so there.

» Sat May 12, 2012 7:45 pm

I suppose it's possible. Hard to imagine though since I believe dragons originated in Asia, and most dinosaur fossiles are from Africa/South America :\

Couple of points. 1st, Dragon myths come from all parts of the world. The version we have now is an amalgamation of them all and 2nd, Marco Polo (From the link you provided) was a big fat liar that never even travelled to most of the places he "documented". That's not the only dubious source on that link either.

Here's a quote from the wikipedia page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur

History of discovery

Dinosaur fossils have been known for millennia, although their true nature was not recognized. The Chinese, whose modern word for dinosaur is konglong (恐龍, or "terrible dragon"), considered them to be dragon bones and documented them as such. For example, Hua Yang Guo Zhi, a book written by Zhang Qu during the Western Jin Dynasty, reported the discovery of dragon bones at Wucheng in Sichuan Province. Villagers in central China have long unearthed fossilized "dragon bones" for use in traditional medicines, a practice that continues today.

Sorry, but there is lots of factual evidence linking dragons myths to Dinosaur bones (as well as elephant and rhino), which if you take the time to look at it, shows quite strongly where the myths originate.

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:53 am

yeah.
so there.
:tongue:

Are you like drunk or something? I swear none of your posts have made sense throughout this thread haha?

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:12 am

Are you like drunk or something? I swear none of your posts have made sense throughout this thread haha?

They did at the beginning of the thread.. didn't they?

The Charlie Sheen logic still stands.

honestly though, I've been living with worlds premier expert in all things Dragon, and he's six..

There is no winning arguments with him either, so I just caved in..

I know, I'm weak.

I wish he was awake now.

» Sat May 12, 2012 11:07 pm

Snip

Fair play mate. I've really not done much research into this issue so I'm not even going to try and argue haha. I guess I'd just like to believe in dragons since they're so super awesome. I think it's still possible that they did exist, though probably unlikely. We can all dream about something eh?

They did at the beginning of the thread.. didn't they?

Er, just about

» Sat May 12, 2012 8:45 pm

They did at the beginning of the thread.. didn't they?

I've understood them all. We must be drinking at the same rate. :foodndrink:

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:38 am

Everyone knows the earth is only 4,000 years old and fossils were just planted there by Zardos.

No, no, no! Dinosaurs bones are just the discarded chicken bones of giant aliens who came to Earth to have picnics.

There was a factual "based on a true story" movie about a knight and a dragon teaming up....Sean Connery did the voice of the dragon.

So, yes I believe there were dragons.

Wrong! Sean Connery just took off that human-shaped costume he usually wears and played himself.

» Sat May 12, 2012 9:30 pm

This thread got weird quick.

» Sat May 12, 2012 8:55 pm

probably not like we know them today, spitting fire and what not, but there might have been something close to it