Still, there's more console players then PC, you guys have NO right to look down on us.

I dont see how it would be overwhelming. I dont miss greaves or being able to wear clothes under armor....i do miss wearing robes with armor but there are armor/clothing mods that add Armored robes to the game.

Funnily enough, Dragon's Dogma, a console only game, allows wearing clothes and armor at the same time, with chest piece and leg armor bein separate And all of them have effects on the character.

Dragons Dogma is very different, it doesn't have all the advance behaviorally coding and game world Skyrim has.

Actually wrong.. You just walked into the oldest trap in the book now..

Technically there are way more PC gamers then console gamers due to Solitaire. It is classified as a game and it is being played by many more then play's consoles around the world... So PC does have most persons who play's games also.

Personally I don't look down on console gamers, there is no reason for that. Each to his own what he prefers, it is that simple.

You mean civilians charging at a dragon with an iron dagger?

I'm not saying that the figures I linked are 100% accurate, but you're post is wrong. The highest number of people playing Skyrim concurrently on steam was around the 250,000 mark. Not all of those necessary bought Skyrim through steam as well. I don't doubt that it sold well on the PC but it's not the main 'bread winner'.

People of skyrim are much braver than the milk drinkers in Dragons dogma.

If I wasnt so hell bent on getting RE6, Id get Dragons dogma...I just like that grab/climbing mechanic.

I like it. I also like we have a lot more skirts on armors, generally all the armors except Daedric (and probably Dwemer could use some improvements) looks fantastic in Skyrim. The pants/skirts wouldn't match up to the upper armor anyway. And there are really no significant shoulderpads in this game to warrant a separate armor piece. It could happen if we have shoulderpads like in WoW.


And i am PC player!

I second this. Had they given us more clothing/armor choices as a trade for stripping leg gear then I would be ok with it but iirc oblivion not only had top and bottom pieces but also more clothes/armor in general

I would say less intelligent maybe. I don't know how many times I lost NPC's in cities to dragons because charging it when it was on a roof and you wielded a dagger sounded like an awesome idea. >.<
Thankfully a mod has fixed that problem for me so I don't have to loose civilians anymore they simply run indoors and hides now.

No actually, skyrim has around the same amount.
And everything usually has different variants of itself.

I never said they were smart brave

Of the excuses
1) is stupid only time Skyrim has more people on screen than Oblivion might be the civil war, solution is simple make the soldier uniform one piece not all outfits. Non used item slots does not use resources Skyrim has lots of hidden ones moders use.
2) As far as I know we can not smith different armors variations.
3) to some degree, however this would just be a couple of armors who would get problems so make them one piece, multiple armors and clothing in Oblivion was one piece

4 Yes most casual players get dumb-folded of the concept of pants.
WOW is also an causal game, Sims is even more and both has many more equipment slots.

More probably they got lazy, its easier to just make one piece armor, they still managed to get more clipping issues than Oblivion had with boots and gloves.

Do you have an link or name of the mod?

Terrible. My favourite character has had heavy armor boots, heavy armor greaves and heavy armor gauntlets. But a light-armor torso piece. Sometimes even a regular shirt. Made the character feel more like a ranger, without looking ridiculous like in Skyrim.

No, they should have left well enough alone. The armor system in Morrowind was perfect especially for those who used armor types to customize character appearance. I would mix up armor types, different pauldrons on left and right shoulder. You could really customize the look of your character in Morrowind and even Oblivion allowed though they cut alot out but not any more. I guess we will have one peice armor sets when TES 6 is released?

(Randomly repeating what Swollenrabbit posted)

Run for your lives - http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/23906

Not saying it never makes NPC's die, but my hours with this one installed has killed way less NPC's by dragon attacks. So walking into Riverwood and seeing a dragon attack usually means guards fighting it, kids running in their street mocking the dragon with their immortality and advlts hiding. A bit comical, but atleast they stay alive

If there is a good reason for removing any feature, I'll stand behind it. The greaves being merged with the Cuirass was for performance issues apparently, if that is true, I support it. However, if there is no significant performance drop with having them as separate items then it shouldn't be implemented.

Personally though, it never hugely bothered me that they were merged. I never mixed greaves and cuirasses in Oblivion so having them merged made no difference to me, however I wish that some armours didn't once the plate skirt on you *cough*imperial armour*cough*.

As for consoles vs PC, why the bashing? PC has so many advantages over consoles anyway, plus if you don't like something in the game you can change it with a mod, we're stuck with it. Learn to share guys, I play Skyrim on both PC and Xbox and while I prefer PC I still play a great deal on the Xbox for a number of reasons.

^ Those reasons.

Mods don't really deal with this particular problem - while PC players can download new armour sets from the nexus/workshop, I've yet to see anything that brings back separate torso & leg armour, greaves & cuirass etc.

I couldn't care less. All it means is one less piece I have to buy, make, or find.

There's a lot more armour than there was in Oblivion, so it's forgivable.

Its quite posible but it will only be compatible with itself and other armors using the same system.
Say you set the body part to just be the torso, then an bottom part and left and right pauldrons who used two other slots.
Now the problem is that if you equip one standard armor you would probably get a lot of clipping or the other parts would be unequipped.

Something might be possible like tight pants who would fit under existing armor would work on most outfits.