Name a game in the last, we'll say, 5 years, that come out bug free.
Do you remember the quests in other TES games? The misc. quests were always short "go here, kill that, grab this, bring it back" type quests.
Are you talking about the guild quests? Guilds now have both main quests and side quests. you can blow through the main quest and be left feeling unfulfilled or you could start the main quest, do the side quests, then do more of the main quest, repeat, and the guilds suddenly grow ten-fold.

These complaints have come and gone with every single game, ever. You can bet your last dollar that TES VI will have the same exact complaints, and by then, people will be comparing it to Skyrim.

I clarified it in an addendum: by 'Bethesda' I mean the person responsible for the entire project, i.e. Todd.

Skyrim is a good game, but it's unambitious. (Oh, look, just like iStuff is good, but unambitious.)

He needs to go.

Do you know why your first experience with Oblivion was great?

Because the last game they made was Morrowind. Compare your first hour of Morrowind with your first hour of Oblivion. Now do the same with Oblivion and Skyrim. If you played these three games you know what I mean. Oblivion felt like a leap but Skyrim feels like a jump. People hate Oblivion and love Morrowind or vice versa because differences are gigantic. When it comes to Skyrim vs Oblivion, people simply love Skyrim. Difference isn't like how it was between Morrowind and Oblivion.

Skyrim also feels a little... forced. We all knew they were pretty serious on this 11/11/11 release date thing. They couldn't delay it because it would give a bad image. This is why most of the game feels unfinished.

While playing Skyrim I can almost hear a programmer saying "just release the damn thing and leave it to the modders" in my mind. Morrowind had more spirit if you know what I mean. You could enjoy the game without mods and you loved the every little detail developers created. In Skyrim, it just feels like every NPC waits for me to open up a discussion which leads me to start a new quest by overhearing them. It's a big coincidence that all discussions and fights start at the same time when you enter the cell isn't it? Skyrim just feels fake even with all these fancy schmancy graphics.

Maybe I just like small indie community-friendly companies and don't like big greedy corporations. I guess we better get used to dumbing down in new RPGs.

Edit:
There are bugs that break quests. No way a beta tester team can't notice this.

I think you are the troll.

Heck of an accusation to people that would have just 'wasted' 5 years of their lives about creating something that they didn't care to do based on that you 'feel' like they didn't care for some vague reason... wow.

Skyrim is most assuredly the product of a team of people that cared GREATLY about it. Have you seen any of the behind the scenes/creation of trailers? They've gone into insane detail in creating this game, and here we are trying to unravel all these years of work on a brilliant game simply because we have lag or temporary bugs. It's saddening. Bugs aren't anything new to newly released software. Having the opinion that the game lacks depth or is boring is totally fine, but then claiming that it's because they didn't care... that's just rude!

People piss, cry, and moan their little asses off like they could forge a better game than Bethesda. Yeah, good luck with that your whiney kids.

Atleast some people out there resepct what Bethesda does.

Skyrim was definitly made for ppl like You.

It is a great game but is far from being epic or strongly immersive.

Why?

By averting your eyes from this game "failures", You're not helping the franchise. Your making it dumbed down - casual.

what angers me is the nonsensical retardedness of the OP and his fallacy of an out cry towards a revolutionary game

People seem to think I'm here complaining. about every little bug. I haven't even found that many bugs. I'm talking about the feel of the game, the environments, communities, stories and imagination. It all just seems to be lacking something that oblivion had, im not comparing games side by side, aspect by aspect.

Its not lacking anything besides what you make it lack. Its better then oblivion for its environments, communities and story along with imagination.

Having managed the developement of three of my all time favorite games, I don't think Todd "has to go". Also, the man who fleshed out one of the best selling RPG franchises from a niche game (kind of), selling [censored]loads of copies, is far from being left aside..

What, exactly, is so "revolutionary" about Skyrim? I personally think LA Noire was more "revolutionary" than Skyrim was/is. Don't get me wrong, I do like Skyrim. Its a great game. Its just not a great Elder Scrolls game. Its a watered down, casual version of an Elder Scrolls game made to cater to people that think the series started with Oblivion.

@Adrienk

Not sure if I understood You right. You're saying that e.g. Skyrim's faction quests are better then those from Oblivion? Longer and more rewarding also?





The Grey Fox and Lucien Lachance are rolling in their graves.

This isn't meant to flame, but are you certain that your nostalgia isn't biasing your claim? Because even though Morrowind is great, I don't see how it's better than Skyrim in terms of an Elder Scrolls game as it still--and for the most part--stays true to the lore. I mean yeah, it doesn't have the same personal touch to certain NPC's because of voice acting.. or even spreadsheets due to the absence of attributes (RIP).. but it's still a great Elder Scrolls game. Unless you're just stating your opinion and not fact.

Also, this kind of reminds me of when Star Wars: The Phantom Menace came out. So many people compared it to A New Hope and it was just insane.

tl;dr The Elder Scrolls series don't evolve, they adapt.

We all reach an age where we're past our prime. I think Skyrim should be Todd's last hurrah. There's nothing shameful about stepping down. He's done an admirable job so far. Give somebody else a try.

Did you not play oblivion? Or are you sleeping with tod... It must be one of those, surely?

Lets get something straight about this "everyone complains about Skyrim" business.

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=skyrim


Thats 5.81 MILLION copies. Now, there are 264,265 members on this site, and only a fraction of those are active, and only a fraction of the active are active in the Skyrim section. There are about 500 people at any given time on these boards, I'll be generous and say half complain. Thats 250 people. So on average 0.0043% of the people who bought the game, are complaining about it here. I don't think Beth has anything to worry about.

I have to disagree. I hope Todd continues to expand on the series as I think he's doing a sublime job.

Yes, I was stating my opinion. And, no I don't think nostalgia is colouring my opinion of either Morrowind or Skyrim or Oblivion. They were all good games. But, in my opinion, Morrowind is the best game ever made. I personally think it is the best RPG ever produced. I'm not saying I don't enjoy Skyrim. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy Oblivion, but I still don't like either of them as much as I did Morrowind.

When it comes to the people in the Morrowind is better camp, It's not about nostalgia. I still play Morrowind and I play Skyrim from time to time.

That last comment. Brilliant, and emphasis my point, they are CHARACTERS that we know and remember. Skyrim, has NPC'S.

By Bethesda standards Skyrim is the most polished-on-release game they've done so far. It has less bugs than Morrowind, Fallout, Fallout New Vegas or, God forbid, Oblivion.

I will compare three games using cathegories i find important.

- Morrowind was a pinnacle of open world dark-fantasy storytelling in quite unique setting. It did extremely well to introduce new players into the Elder Scrolls lore and events from Arena and Daggerfall. You simply sank into the vast Elder Scroll universe. It had an old school journal that helped you in feeling the story. I miss those journal entries alot. From all three, Morrowind, did best lore job.

(YES i bloody hate those arrow indicators on your map. Ok so when an NPC knows where he/she wants me thats fine. But i hate it when NPC tells you to find an artifact lost ages ago SOMEWHERE and you suddenly know where it is!)

- Oblivion - New graphics that replaced dark, unforgiving, muddy and gray setting of island of Morrowind with one huge plain with some fairy dust sparkles all over. Game was so shiny it almost felt like a bloody (HATE) jRPG. Elder Scrolls lore was basically in the books as Oblivion took no effort to reintroduce players to VAST and COMPLEX story of Mundus. You might say that Oblivion offered larger variety of landscapes, I'll say (quoting after Yahtzee) that every open area in Oblivion could be set in the same meadow.
They introduced more voice acting so obviously they had to dump most of important "lore chats". Well I didnt mind, I knew Elder Scrolls lore very well by then and I was aware that making same amount of text that we had in Morrowind VOICED in Oblivion would eat up huge amounts of hard drive space.
Journal has been dropped, markers added along with fast travel. You might say that fast travel is bad but i will say fast travel SAVED Oblivion, cause i would be bored to bloody tears if I had to ride through this boring es hell deserted world. Obviously it seems bethesda was to lazy to do proper outdoors. Voice acting was dull and did not compensate for a descent read that Morrowind had. Main storyline felt flat and whole oblvion felt somehow disconnected from Elder Scrolls series. Unmoded facial features made everyone look ill with those purple/green highligts, misplaced eyes and noses with no bone.

With mods and updates, Oblivion became really pretty and nice to play BUT it still did not feel like Elder Scrolls

- Skyrim is somehow middle ground. Exteriors are amazing, still you sure can fast travel but the outdoors seem pretty like very sixy prosttute: nobody forces you to ride it but you still want to. I was stunned by how well Dwemer ruins were made, even if alot different than Morrowind ones. Story is well told, there are hints of overall lore all over the game (i still find it too scarce), you learn alot about pre-empire times, dwemer culture and all the fine things Elder Scrolls has to offer and thats only the beginning. Lack of journal still bothers me. Guild questlines are very well done and well scripted, they might be short but they might best of the series, I liked Oblivion ones as well, thats the one part Oblivion has done right. Main story is kinda simplistic, no real twists but at least you know who you are and what is your destiny from the start. Main plot does not try to remain shrouded in mystery (which Morrowind did very well and Oblvion ended up being a joke). And thats only the beginning.

Sorry but I just do not understand where people say this game is so souless compared to Oblivion. OB IMO was nothing but flash in the pan day glo colored corny questlines. Skyrim is much deeper and darker. Those who complain that there are no options to quests, just plain are not looking for them. I have found many quests where you can use different approachs and options to finish. I know people have the right to their opinion. I for one am enjoying vanilla Skyrim way much more then I did vanilla Oblivion. I tried playing it before TES V release and after 6 levels I was bored to death. IMO the towns are much more alive. In OB I could be in the market in the middle of the day and only see a guard and the street bum yacking. Personally I just think people come on these forums and find something to complain about, so they have something to type out.....lol

Ah, fair enough! Yeah, Morrowind completely revolutionized role-playing games for me. That and Neverwinter Nights!

Here's my thought. I haven't complained about one [censored]cocksvcking thing in this game. So don't say everyone has complained. It's a great game, and if I could, I'd smack all the nay sayers and haters. You people make me wanna go kill a cat or something.

MW is very different... Not my cup of tea. But I simply love OB and am LOVING SK. I know people disagree but to me MW was hard to get into since OB was my first ES game.