Different things for different people as i find the joy stick a lot better. I suppose it's what you are used too.

Archery? Underpowered!? If it was, I wouldn't have made a new character with archery as the basis of his attacks. He only goes sword'n'board for those that manage to get close enough.

Seriously? My upgraded legendary glass bow deals 198 damage per shot! Not enchanted... yet anyway.

true but exp or not a mosue is a more accurate and responsive medium, just because your not exp with it doesnt change this.

just hope there next console isntallments have actually useful plugins for using a keyboard and mouse >.<

I fail to see how a mouse is more responsive, care to elaborate?

I like Archery in Skyrim. Also i am glad the bows are no "one hit kill" weapon. It would be really annoying if i get struck by an arrow of my follower or an enemy and die instantly!

Archery is incredibly powerful; with an Ebony Bow (which I nicknamed Midnight with the Lunar Enchant) I do 135 base damage, plus 20 when the moons are out.

if you fail to see how your either blind or have never read anything about modern computer mice. they are more responsive and accurate.

its about dpi or dots per inch. or moer accurately cpi, counts per inch. how many times a mouse will send feedback in the space of one inch.

5700 is my mice's default...dpi. this relates to incredibly smooth tracking, and on modern mice, you can freely ADJUST this dpi setting to freely switch between fast motion to steady targeting for more precise shots on say...sniping.

its more controllable, more precise...the only thing that can possibly make it worse for someone...is them simply being unexperienced with it. this is the problem with the player, no thte device.

Not underpowered at all, my Ebony bow (legendary) was smithed while wearing a +15 to smithing amulet, +20 to smithing gauntlets and a potion of smithing +40% and does a base damage of 89.

Add the arrow damage and any archery + stuff I happen to be wearing and it does enough damage but not so much that things get boring.

My personal experience (level 30, glass bow, most of the archery perks) is that archery is absolutely kick ass in Skyrim.

if you honestly think Archery is underpowered you are seriously doing it wrong.
Both times I picked up archery I found it incredibly useful.
Even playing it underleveled late game on my mage just so I can get a few sneak shots off. The damage with properly enchanted equipment is magnificent + the added enchantments like paralyze make them incredibly useful.
If you are having a hard time get some fortify archery equips, buy some poisons, and get the 3x sneak perk.

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Stop moving the joysticks and you stop; this argument is invalid.


Firstly, DPI refers to resolution, not how responsive a mouse is.

Secondly, I don't appreciate your tone. You can get your point across without coming across as an arogant ass.

Thirdly, I can be more accrate with a controller than with a mouse. Just because a mouse is more responsive than a controller, doesn't mean the users ability to use it means nothing. You may be more accurate with a mouse, but that's largely to do with your playstyle, not the medium you're using. With a controller, I'm getting quite adept at nostril shots... yes, I'm shooting arrows up people's noses. I can guarantee you that if I were to use a mouse, I would not be able to get such a shot.

Mouse Vs. Control is a seperate debate; so let's keep this on topic.

dpi, dots per inch...which is a incorrect term mosue companies use as its really cpi, or counts per inch. how many times the mouse "counts" while you move it...basically its a multiplier of pixels. a 1:1 is 1 pixel per inch or something, 5700:1 means you move one inch of the mouse is that many times pixels on screen...resulting in little movement on your part of fast and larger responsive movement on the screens part. all you have to do then is lower the dpi for more precise shots (which can be done on the fly) and your golden.

so no i didnt use it wrong, maybe your thinking of something else, there is a dpi for resolution, the two are related as tey both deal with pixels on the screen.

and im not being conddescending, fact is, whatever ceiling you reach with a gamepad, you can reach higher thresholds with a mouse unless you have some physical deformity preventing this. so stop being needlessly defensive just because i speak facts.

your comment is assinine, just because youve practiced with a gamepad to that level doesnt mean a mouse is worse, it means your worse with a mouse...but if you practiced equally, youd be better...and yes...because of hte on the fly dpi adjustments and higher feedback rates a mosue IS more accurate...bow down before math!

I love the bow in this game.

So far I've found a helmet that adds 30% damage, a ring and pair of gauntlets that each adds 25% damage. The only drawback is that the helmet and gauntlets are heavy armor, but I'm thinking of disenchanting them and then reapplying the enchant to light armor. Basic bow damage is 88, and I've added an enchant that does 22 points damage to stamina. I love to sneak for 3X damage and a head shot.

Question about the Bound Bow. I've used it a few times - just to try it out - and suddenly it requires more mana/magicka to conjur and I can't use it (conjur) any more till I increase my magicka/mana. Is that normal?

I never said you were wrong, I just stated fact that DPI is about resolution.

You are being condescending. You have typical PC elitist attitude, thinking that everything about the PC is so much better. And to think that you would have to have some sort of physical deformity to be unable to use a mouse is, quite frankly, disrespectful towards both those with physical deformities and those that prefer joysticks. I never said a mouse was worse, my point was personal ability. Quit your "better than thou" attitude

*YAAAAAWN*

Archery is fine, as is Destruction magic and whatever else people are whining over.

Stop applying roles to yourself like I NEVER want to use melee attacks, it seems like more of the WoW mentality spilling over.

What's worse is you're giving him the time of day. Ignore him and move on.

I had thought about that after I post, and decided that was my last reply. Being disrespectful towards me is one thing, but to bring disabilities into it as an insult, or comparison was low.

I have tried 2 different archer characters and quite honestly I abandoned both of them before level 12. Why? It grew boring. Most things dropped in one or two arrows on expert level. So the whole underpowered argument you have simply means you aren't doing it right.

When it comes to Skyrim they're both as accurate as each other. Sure, a "5700:1" mouse might be more advantageous for long distance cross-map sniping in Counter-strike or whatever, but it's not that hard to hit a target with an arrow in Skyrim. Plus I've found I can get pretty damn close to enemies without them noticing in this game, so accuracy is pretty much redundant at that point.

Also, from what i have gathered, changing the CPI settings for a mouse means you can only change the speed at which you can move your aim - nothing to do with the actual fineness of accuracy you can achieve. That means it may be -quicker- to get a more precise shot using a mouse, although I doubt it seeing as how you'd have to continuously change the mouse settings each time you move on to the next enemy. So the CPI thing isn't valid here.

It's all down to personal experience. Besides, they're only electronic peripherals - who the hell cares which is better?

wow this is an useless topic.
archer is no way under powered infact its op.

i am an archer, only perks in archery/smithing/enchanting....
if your archer takes around 10 arrows to kill a mob then ur doing something wrong.

i even stopped playing archer becouse its way to easy to play.
u just 1 shot 80% of the mobs... bosses only takes like 5-7 arrows.

if u cant play an archer u better roll an other character xD

yoru being over defensive and sensitive to cover your ass. relax, i have a ps3, used to have a 360, i do wish i could proper utilize a mouse and keyboard with it, but there are latency issues for some damn reason.

also, so long as you have the know how and the money, nearly everything on a pc IS better, just an example of you getting what you pay for.

consoles have there place. the reason they excel is the same reason apple products excel, of which i wont bother explaining because of your apparent sensitivities.

and the deformity comment is a actual reason, if your hand was hurt in such a way that using a mosue was troublesome but a controller wasnt...so while you can be oversensitive about it, it was nothing short of a realistic statement with no bashing or prejudice about it.

you asy im elitist, i say your a prime example of self justifying having less. Consoles, especially current ones, are subpar systems from a technological standpoint given current technology. there is NO "better then thou attitude" its just facts. also, preferring something over something else has nothing to do with whats better.

so get off your low horse...or however you view it and realize im not bashing consoles, im stating facts while your talking about preference. which is fine, you prefer a controller, use one, wont change that a mouse is better.

but as far as on topic, i made a archery char, i like it, but its mainly because this game is more of a fps then a melee...its just that melee is a dominant factor in it. tho sometimes i may feel OP with the stagger perk.

I have never at any point felt like the bow was underpowered. It scales nicely as you level, in fact, somewhere in my 20s I stopped using it for most things. It was hampering my growth in other combat skills because I was tending to blow away everything: either 1 shotting or at most 3 shots except for the endboss in some of the crawls. I put 5 points in the the damage perk that is initially available and havent bothered with more points in there, wasn't necessary. I do also have an enchanted hat that gives 15 or 20% archery bonus and I have smithed up a Legendary ebony bow. I prefer to get up close anyways and the damn dragons are too hard to hit as they flap around so my bow is fairly situational. I might try a Ranger type next and really dump in on the bow perks. Some of the posts make it sound interesting!

And as far as platform, I have both ps3 and PC, and can say that some of the above is correct. PC is better for this game, and for many games. It simply has the capability of simply handling bigger and more complex games. Consoles are nice for some games, but when you compare the PC version to ps3(console) version, not really comparable. The consoles are simplified versions in most cases if you look at functionality side by side. It is not elitism to state that, btw. I have both systems and often buy on both platforms for the games I get so that I can see differences. For most games I can beat them much faster on the console, for example on Civ I can beat ps3 in a few hours, start to finish. On PC, it takes me a few days.
Nothing wrong with having a simpler game on a console either.....simpler is a faster, more streamlined game. Which is perfect for most nowadays with the 'entertain me now' bunch that want less effort to get the payoff sooner.

And lastly, for me, the dinky little controllers that consoles utilize are less than optimal to use. I don't have little baby hands and the Xbox controllers are virtually useless. At least the ps3 has a sorta joystick that is more or less useable. Minute (fine) adjustments are infinitely more difficult on controllers so I vastly prefer using a mouse whenever possible.....it hurts my hands much less!

Oh, and as for the topic at hand: I find the archery has been done well in Skyrim. I quicky adopted it as my primary style in the early parts of the game. It's not too overpowered as to become boring and too easy, and it's definitely not underpowered and useless. I think Bethesda did a great job at getting the balance right on this one.