Archery is very underpowered.

Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:29 pm

When it comes to Skyrim they're both as accurate as each other. Sure, a "5700:1" mouse might be more advantageous for long distance cross-map sniping in Counter-strike or whatever, but it's not that hard to hit a target with an arrow in Skyrim. Plus I've found I can get pretty damn close to enemies without them noticing in this game, so accuracy is pretty much redundant at that point.

Also, from what i have gathered, changing the CPI settings for a mouse means you can only change the speed at which you can move your aim - nothing to do with the actual fineness of accuracy you can achieve. That means it may be -quicker- to get a more precise shot using a mouse, although I doubt it seeing as how you'd have to continuously change the mouse settings each time you move on to the next enemy. So the CPI thing isn't valid here.

It's all down to personal experience. Besides, they're only electronic peripherals - who the hell cares which is better?

one does not have to care to argue a point, in fact one often argues better for there is no bias. lowering the cpi means lower movement, the fact that you can do it with a twitch of the finger/thumb on current mice means its a easy on the fly thing to do. a extra button, but second nature with time. granted some players have gotten to the point that they can nearly hipshot long distance shots with max cpi settings just cuz...they are that good.

but really, its getting tiresome arguing facts against someone who then tries to supplement there argument with preference...which have no impact on the debate.

fact is, at least atm (maybe someone will make a rediculous gaming controller someday) a mouse is a more precise medium for games then a controller, even if some people prefer the controller. no malice, no "pc is better fool" talk, just stating a fact.you do bring up a good point tho, with stealth its kinda moot in terms of whats moer accurate as hitting the broadside of a barn from 10 feet negates a lot of foulup.
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Post » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:01 am

yoru being over defensive and sensitive to cover your ass. relax, i have a ps3, used to have a 360, i do wish i could proper utilize a mouse and keyboard with it, but there are latency issues for some damn reason.

also, so long as you have the know how and the money, nearly everything on a pc IS better, just an example of you getting what you pay for.

consoles have there place. the reason they excel is the same reason apple products excel, of which i wont bother explaining because of your apparent sensitivities.

and the deformity comment is a actual reason, if your hand was hurt in such a way that using a mosue was troublesome but a controller wasnt...so while you can be oversensitive about it, it was nothing short of a realistic statement with no bashing or prejudice about it.

you asy im elitist, i say your a prime example of self justifying having less. Consoles, especially current ones, are subpar systems from a technological standpoint given current technology. there is NO "better then thou attitude" its just facts. also, preferring something over something else has nothing to do with whats better.

so get off your low horse...or however you view it and realize im not bashing consoles, im stating facts while your talking about preference. which is fine, you prefer a controller, use one, wont change that a mouse is better.

but as far as on topic, i made a archery char, i like it, but its mainly because this game is more of a fps then a melee...its just that melee is a dominant factor in it. tho sometimes i may feel OP with the stagger perk.

When it comes to Skyrim they're both as accurate as each other. Sure, a "5700:1" mouse might be more advantageous for long distance cross-map sniping in Counter-strike or whatever, but it's not that hard to hit a target with an arrow in Skyrim. Plus I've found I can get pretty damn close to enemies without them noticing in this game, so accuracy is pretty much redundant at that point.

Also, from what i have gathered, changing the CPI settings for a mouse means you can only change the speed at which you can move your aim - nothing to do with the actual fineness of accuracy you can achieve. That means it may be -quicker- to get a more precise shot using a mouse, although I doubt it seeing as how you'd have to continuously change the mouse settings each time you move on to the next enemy. So the CPI thing isn't valid here.

It's all down to personal experience. Besides, they're only electronic peripherals - who the hell cares which is better?
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:24 pm

one does not have to care to argue a point
Then why put so much effort into arguing your point?
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:15 am

are u hitting the target that tends 2 help

Derp.
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Post » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:10 am

it all depens on his build ive played with some [censored] OP'd bow builds but the curent run ive got i havent taken a single enchantment or smith skill point add to the run of bad luck im having finding bows better then elven in dungeon ruins im now at level 31
im getting ton of the leveled bandits that takeclose to 7 shots

archery is a little under invested though its sitting on about 60 in the tree and only put in 5 SP whilst on adept (for me this is on purpose i want my nightingale bow pimping so ive been doing side jobs the Guild stead of Guild main Quest as such my thief skills are alot higher)

perhaps he's just getting alot of the health sponges and under invested in the tree without smithing or enchanting to offset it?
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:32 pm

Not trying to argue for the sake of it, but just wanted to point out that in Skyrim, a Headshot makes no difference at all. sure it looks cool, but a shot into someone's foot knee does exactly the same damage as a shot to the head. So all you need to do it hit the target tbh..... :cool:
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:00 pm

if you want to feel more powerful then change difficulty. youll one shot everything! oh wait, u haz to play on mazterz
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:37 pm

I never said you were wrong, I just stated fact that DPI is about resolution.

You are being condescending. You have typical PC elitist attitude, thinking that everything about the PC is so much better. And to think that you would have to have some sort of physical deformity to be unable to use a mouse is, quite frankly, disrespectful towards both those with physical deformities and those that prefer joysticks. I never said a mouse was worse, my point was personal ability. Quit your "better than thou" attitude

What you don't realise is my mouse boasts an 1800 DPI. As he already said, the people who make the mouse use the term DPI.

Another thing you don't realise is that gamepads can be used on PCs also, so I don't understand how he is that childish term "PC Elitist".

If you have never used a mouse and keyboard and became good with it how can you possibly say it's not better? You can't just pick up a mouse and keyboard and become great overnight, it actually does take time. For racing and sports games a gamepad would win easily but for FPS there is no competition for the mouse.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:13 pm

Then why put so much effort into arguing your point?

the sake of debate, but really, it didnt feel like much effort when the outcome was already known.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:51 pm

Amen my friend. If it wasn't underpowered than I would have archery character first.

Cheers
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:24 am

What you don't realise is my mouse boasts an 1800 DPI. As he already said, the people who make the mouse use the term DPI.

Another thing you don't realise is that gamepads can be used on PCs also, so I don't understand how he is that childish term "PC Elitist".

If you have never used a mouse and keyboard and became good with it how can you possibly say it's not better? You can't just pick up a mouse and keyboard and become great overnight, it actually does take time. For racing and sports games a gamepad would win easily but for FPS there is no competition for the mouse.

I didn't say it wasn't better. What I said was that it was down to personal ability. I even said that in the post you quoted. Mouse Vs. Controller is a seperate debate, and one I don't actually care about.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:10 pm



Lol, not to pick on ya or anything but the perk for backstabs with a dagger increases it to a total of 15×.

I think you're thinking of the default (no perks) damage bonus for sneak attacks with a dagger, which is 5×.

Stop it! Lol. I'm gonna stop giving this wrong info to this dude. Haha wow my numbers are way off. I guess that proves my point that the now is not over or underpowered. The bow is perfect I think. I don't need to put those perk points into sneak. Thanks I don't think I'll ever get this wrong again.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:48 pm

Also mouse is unquestionably better speed and precision than gamepad, it's why FPS on PC is an entirely different experience than on consoles.

Yep, a mouse allows for alot more "twitch" speed and accuracy than a controller. Why people who play the console FPS games with a specific mouse are often accused of cheating and using a "aim bot" hack. They can aim and fire so quickly/accurately that people using a controller really don't stand a chance.

The only thing about it is that you need to learn how to use the cross-hairs, and learn how the arrows fly when hitting targets at different distances to get head shots. I'm still getting the hang of it myself! :biggrin:

One of the reasons why i believe ranged combat in games with Bows requires more skill than combat in game with guns. With bows, you really have to learn how to "arc" your shot for distance and to lead aim. Games with guns, bullets travel so damn fast there's not alot of drop rate to them, and practically no chance to dodge them; stick your cross hair on someone, pull the trigger, bam, dead. Which requires twitch, but not alot of judgement skill, like arcing or lead aiming requires.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:48 pm

It's fine as it is.

Starts off as one of the hardest playstyles, then gradually turns into one of the easiest. Same as in other games.

If anything, i'd like it to be even harder.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:20 pm

I remember playing Oblivion and I had no skill in archery. Then I had to fight the Gate Keeper for the Shivering Isles DLC and I spent around 3 hours shooting arrows at the thing before it actually died. Skyrim I have no archery skill and I can kill guards or damage them severely with 2 arrows. Archery is better in this game.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:34 pm

At early stages, Archery is insanely underpowered, dealing about 10 damage per shot, when most low level enemies have about 50-100, taking 5-10 arrows, quite clearly.

Later stages, they still feel a little underpowered, mine does about 60 damage per shot, but very few enemies can it one shot kill.

They need to give it a bit of a boost, because even with the perks, it's not powerful enough.

http://pix.playground.ru/download/gallery/276634/b78438ee5d4a7f4541b15d28188948e8.jpg. This is reachable within 20 levels.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:17 pm

At early stages, Archery is insanely underpowered, dealing about 10 damage per shot, when most low level enemies have about 50-100, taking 5-10 arrows, quite clearly.

Later stages, they still feel a little underpowered, mine does about 60 damage per shot, but very few enemies can it one shot kill.

They need to give it a bit of a boost, because even with the perks, it's not powerful enough.

I'm experiencing this problem too. I just started an archer/mage character and I kept getting killed. LOL (I guess it's also cuz I'm a noob lol)
But my main character.. at level 31 , pure warrior with some archery skill, archery is overpowered especially with sneak attack damage.

So.. I don't know. :P
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:13 pm



it's not a lucky glitch. you used console commands, because the ancient cowl there doesn't work right.

Might want to re-think that accusation. I'm on the Xbox 360.....
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:46 am

At early stages, Archery is insanely underpowered, dealing about 10 damage per shot, when most low level enemies have about 50-100, taking 5-10 arrows, quite clearly.

Later stages, they still feel a little underpowered, mine does about 60 damage per shot, but very few enemies can it one shot kill.

They need to give it a bit of a boost, because even with the perks, it's not powerful enough.

My main specs in archery and sneak. Those are the only perk trees I have placed points into so far and hes level 28 I think.

I haven't had any complaints over archery being underpowered.

archery + sneak = god mode

I might could see archery being somewhat weak without sneak but still, no complaints. I'd expect to use alot arrows on some mobs.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:42 am

it's not a lucky glitch. you used console commands, because the ancient cowl there doesn't work right.

It is a lucky glich... happened with me once too (with thieves guild hood and orcish helmet) on the PC...
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:00 pm

it only takes a few points in sneak to make archery very powerfull
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:05 pm

hmm, you using sneak. My thief has gone to using only an upgraded ancient nord bow and only steel arrows because I can usually one or two shot any mob, accept for dragons and giants. If you upgraded an advanced bow like ebony and used ebony arrows...you would have to increase the game difficulty pretty high just to keep shooting interesting. most times mobs are dead before they can even find the direction the arrow came from.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:35 pm

This is sort of an odd topic, I think.

I am currently using archery/bow as a backup for my caster, I'm level 38, no perks in archery, and I can kill things with no trouble at all. Okay... ONE problem... they really gimped the range for sniping. It's really silly. Aside from that, though, it's just as viable as any other primary attack skill.

I'm really not sure why the OP has problems. Seems very odd.
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:45 pm

Not trying to argue for the sake of it, but just wanted to point out that in Skyrim, a Headshot makes no difference at all. sure it looks cool, but a shot into someone's foot does exactly the same damage as a shot to the head. So all you need to do it hit the target tbh..... :cool:

Well, once the CK is out we will have something definitive, I'm not the only one who seemed to notice something with headshots, which I was noticing when my archery was low early on. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Archery#Headshots_with_Archery.3F


So my question is, how is damage calculated anyway?
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Post » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:51 pm

No it isn't. My Argonian is a god with the bow. It's been overpowered from early on. I don't use it anymore because it's just not any fun and no challenge. I play on master and it's still op.
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