Yeah, I know. Those who follow rules are seldom rewarded for being honest.

Sorry but really really old news...

That's not the punishment they give out for that offense. If someone steals from your shop they get 2-3 years in prison. The victim can't just get up and say "But I want him to spend life in jail!"

it's fine to cooperate in a free-For-all deathmatch.

It's annoying, just like camping and whatnot, but it's allowed.

I'm a heavy fps gamer and I go to tournaments regularly and people try and bend the rules any way possible. It's a part of the game.

I have a hard time seeing what Microsoft did wrong. Except for giving him a months gold membership for free, perhaps.

I was just joking, lol.

I don't care that he has whatever illness, thats not even the point. My point is this was earned off line, and affected NO ONE at all what so ever. Everyone that quoted me seem to forget to quote that post.







OH NOES, some one unlocked something OFF LINE and didn't follow the rules when playing a game OFFLINE where is affects NO ONE ELSE EVER, lets ban him and destroy his account.

I guess M$ and Valve/steam better remove my G.T and steam accounts because I modded my Dirt 2/fallout 3 and Mount and Blade warband to make the game easier and got a few acheevos along the way.
But you know, that makes me a cheater I guess that fact means I should have my accounts destroyed and banned. :shakehead:

So I guess I best wait for my Steam account and GFWL account to be banned and destroyed cause I got a few achevos off line, in a OFFLINE race/battle/whatever where it affect NO ONE ELSE EVER!

TOS/EULA are very rarely (if ever) held up in a court, more so seeing as this kid is 8, and his mother can have deny ability of even knowing there was one.

I guess none of you purist ever used a game shark or code breaker then, if so , sure hope you got a lot of bullets!

But wait there wasn't xbl then! What does that matter? Not at all, because where earned OFF LINE and affected NO ONE ELSE.
I don't see M$/Valve/Steam giving out achevos for/to people who earned them but for what ever reason they didn't unlock? Or when I buy a game and it doesn't work (S.M pirates/Railroads/sacred 2).

This is just stupid, and way over board. Should have just give him a warning and removed the armor and achievements.

@titan357: The stuff was earned offline, but can be used online. Recon armor isn't easy to get, so cheating and getting it completely diminishes its worth. Not only that, but if you're able to cheat in Halo 3, what's stopping you from cheating in a ton of other games?

Well, one of the results of him cheating was unlocking the Recon Armor for Halo 3. I know a lot of people who's spent a good amount of time trying to EARN it, and while I couldn't care less about that myself, I can understand if it ruined the experience for some people knowing that they had to fight hard to get it, while someone got it by cheating.

And whether or not it was offline or if it affects anyone doesn't really matter imo. IIRC, there's a part of the Xbox live account registration that covers the fact that Microsoft has the right to ban you if you violate other parts of the same agreement, the parts that cover cheating and exploits. Xbox live is not a human right. It's a service offered by Microsoft. You agree to use it in a certain way, and stay true to that and you won't face any problems. Go against the rules you promised to follow, and they will punish you as they said they would, which you agreed to.

Edit: Just to clarify for those not too familiar with Halo 3, Recon Armor is pretty hard to get, and will only serve a purpose in multiplayer. So it's bound to be seen by other players. Therefore, affect said people who's fought hard for it.

First off, modding on consoles is illegal according to EULA so, there.

Also, getting achievements by illegitimate means does affect others indirectly. Gamerscore is used to sort of determine which players can do what; and how skilled they are. If they can't do a certain thing; they don't deserve the achievement for it. I don't see what's wrong with that. If they started handing out the medal of honor to every single person in the military; it would no longer be a desirable title, would it?

So, it does affect others; the people who actually worked for the achievement. If a blind man kills someone; do the police go "Oh, you're blind; it's okay. Just don't do it again. Here's a free ice-cream cone for your trouble."? No. Same thing here.

Honestly, I never got Recon in Halo 3. I was only able to complete 7 of the 8 Vidmaster Challenges. The one I didn't do involved completing a level in ODST (a game I despise) with certain skulls on. If I fight through that to earn the armor (which, although it doesn't do anything, still shows off your accomplishment), why is it fair that some kid can just hack his way towards getting it?

Agree to disagree, I think its silly. Its just a game item, not the end of the world.

Resetting someone achievements and having a G.T that says cheater isn't the end of the world either. It's not like they punished him far too severely; they punished him same way anyone else with that offense would've been.

They still have him a free month, and a new start. He'll be perfectly fine.

In Black Ops you can't joing FFA matchmaking with a party... I wonder why..

What a pointless thread... what a pointless news story....

I am so saddened by the amount of people here. I have lost a little respect for alot of you now. So he cheated. Big deal. The way some of the comments here about him, it's almost like you are saying he is deserving the death penelty.

Also if alot of you guys were smart enough, you know this could never hold up in court of law, because he in not mentaly stable enough to be accusesed of the crimes. Yes him being Autistic is a good excuse. How I pray you guys don't get kids don't get autism, or get hit by a car, or what ever accident can make you disabled and mentally challenged. To say he should have known better, prove it.

If anything, the blame shouldn't be on the kid, he is young and autistic. He is a special needs child. Yes what he did was wrong, but there is no way on earth he should be getting the ridicule that alot of you people are spewing out. First time I have to say I am ashamed of the BSF. :sadvaultboy:

The mother lied. The mother changed her story. She should be blammed as she should be watching accountable because the child is not bound legally whats so ever.

But come on to some of the BSF memeber. Shame on you picking on a young autistic kid, and some of the things you guys have said.

To be fair; I just think what happened was okay. I don't think they should've punished him more severely, and I don't think they should have been more lenient with him. The fact that they allowed him a new account with a free month is already a good deal; what more could he possibly ask for? A trophy for his valiant deeds?

if i had an xbox account i would go out of my way to have a cheater tag. think about it. its just another achievement and any player wants all of the achievements riiiiiiiiiiight?

Well technically yeah, but it's considered dishonorable on Live..

It's like castrating yourself for the sake of being 'unique', or taking a dump in the middle of church for the sake of being 'remembered'.

Both sides have valid points, but I'm going to have to say his parents were the ones responsible. He is mentally ill, there is no way we could say he cheated. He might not have known, or even understood why it's important to not cheat. That doesn't mean he should though. Think about all of the other kids that could be playing with other mental illnesses and what would happen if they did this. It's complicated, I don't want to go into it anymore. My point is this is a big debate, and there's valid points on both sides.

i dont have any intentions of getting married so i dont have to worry about the first one. for the second one are we talking in the middle of a sunday service or on a weekday when noone is there? :ermm:

i think you dont know how broad a term autism is

Oh yeah, right in front of everyone during mass.. You'll become a legend.

This is actually what struck me the most:



Sensationalism alright. Typical...