Ill explain this in a way hopefully, people should understand.

Games before were easy to make a challenge, there were no tight time frames to develop in and resources were dealt with like a family business, it was a hobby for most developers.

Unfortunately as with all family businesses the investment opportunity was too good to pass up, considering how lucrative media markets are, so just like the media in general, games started to focus on lifting the face and trimming the fat.

Now we have size 0 games with wonderful looking faces, thankfully we have stagnated in the graphics department (versus what our eyes can frankly perceive and the technical issues of current processes which i wont go into), which should force developers to finally focus on the AI and gameplay elements for once.

Either way, its pointless to argue about it really, its more involved with how we grew up with not so beautiful games that provided a static challenge, which ultimately makes us compare it to current games.

Please, explain, where was the choice in either Morrowind or Oblivion? Was it in the title you chose for yourself? Was it in the skills you purposely put into the "Major" category, skill that you would only use when you wanted to level?

Yes indeed I never liked actually neither in OB or Morrowind the Godlike rise to power of the career , the same happens also in skyrim , but they seem to not just listen to the demand of the people , and go for simplify everything even more .... a lot of people demand more complexity and what they do is feed people with kid level push and play , but then they get a mature rating so there is something really wrong in their "streamlining" decision ....

people want to feel imersion , to have to wear a cape when walking in an antarctica like environment , to have rest actually do something , you see people get allkind of realism mods and difficulty increasers , ... but honestly I downloaded even the mod that makes dragons 100% harder , I play on maximum difficulty , I go around in leather armors and use crap weapons , ok I get killed sometimes and I kill pretty easy but is not the point in killing or be killed , I personally find it much more satisfying that an encounter lasts some minutes than some seconds , but that's me ...

for difficulty setting I don't think is fun to have to reload 100 times the same savegame couse the difficulty just increases the damage the enemy does , it's stupid to consider "there" the difficulty of a game ..... the difficulty shoudl be based on other things on challenging your mind , your strategical approaches to the solutions , get you more to think instead what you get rising the bar is just reload the game more ...



for choices there where a bit more .... you could side a faction and not another , see the results of yoru actions , take for example when you bought a house , they had to actually build it you decided how to look what to add , and on wich faction , instead here you can buy anything anywhere and there is no choice involved apart spending money ... the quests are linear , I haven't seen one single choice apart from sidening empire or stormcloacks but actually doesn't make any difference ...in all daedric quests wich are mostly evil you can't take a counterpart ... same with companion quests... what if I don't want to become a wherewolf etc? There is just one thing in this game ... walk , slash and push the button ....

Really not much reason to read any further than this.

You made a good post and i agree with most of it but.. what exactly made Oblivion deeper than Skyrim?
I have seen acouple people write that and i honestly don't see what the hell it was? Was it the fact that it had stats and it's simply that i didn't consider the old system deep, or deeper than the current one?
Maby it's just that i love both Morrowind and Skyrim for their own reasons and never really got into Oblivion beacuse i thought it was shallow and repetitive with god awful quests and writing(basicly the same reasons people whine about Skyrim)

And he LIKED oblivion?
99% of the dungeons in oblivion were computer generated rubbish with no incentive to enter whatsoever, unless you just felt like grinding your combat skills. And the reward for the main quest? Laughable. Look, when you meet this friend again, tell him to go back to oblivion, and get him to enter EVERY dungeon he comes across. Then, tell me personally when he goes insane or gives up.
What i'm trying to say is at least in skyrim every dungeon has a reward chest at the end with someting worth getting, whereas oblivion you would usually find a chest with about 100 gold, which was pointless, as the nearest badit on the road would be wearing amazing equipment which could be sold for 300% more. Therefore there was no reason to return to them in oblivion either, let alone any reason to enter in the first place.

Though I agree that it is a bit odd that every nord and dwemer architect installed a secret back door in their ruins.

Cause, you know, It's full of beauty.

EDIT: Also, why Italian? In italian you don't misplace commas nor points.

Also, what made Oblivion better is most definitely NOT nostalgia, just like MW and Daggerfall.

This is exactly how I feel about it.

poorly worded topic... as the game is VERY challenging playing on master difficulty and without exploiting.

but yes, the games has been oversimplified... some simplifications made sense, while others were very silly and made certain aspects of customization underwhelming... for exemple putting movement mechanics rest entirely on what armor one uses is... so sad... could've combined athletics and acrobatics to allow movement to still be a more relevant and customizable trait of your character.
removing spell crafting can never be mentioned often enough aswell (((
some added things however, made it more complex and engaging, melee combat as never been better, even if on master meleing without a shield is always a handicap lol... and some things that SHOULD be siomplified and wernt are just lol... lockpicking and pickpocketing for one... pretty *duh* trees, could and should be melded and simplified.

but yeah oversimplified yes, but not at all to a degree that makes the game mechanicaly inferior to its predecessors imo, as those had plenty of flaws and mechanics left wanting that this one does not.

He compared or example the main quest ... now there is no spoiler since I haven't finished yet but he said that in Oblivion he felt like doing something big , he got a reward , some stuff to wear , people recognized him as hero going around and the battle was epic etc etc ... now he didnt reveal me details of the final ending but he said he was totally disappointed , even no rewards in the end and people acted like if it was a day like another and he is just one casual guy walking around .....

Have you tried the difference between adept and master at least, BEFORE saying this?

Man sometimes I really feel like I got a different game. When I play on adpet and kill bandits, the sometimes block, sometimes hit at the wrong times, sometimes just let themselves get hit...
When I play on master, a have to really, REALLY be lucky, or prepared, to deliver a power attack without the enemy bashing to prevent me from doing it


Also, I read about that Alduin battle being "anti-climatic"... do you even know what a climix is? It is: tension, more tension, EVEN MORE tension, climix, release.
Alsuin DOES feel like a threat, and it becomes more obvious AFTER you beat him the first time. You learn WHY he's called the "world eater". A very interresting story if you ask me. And that end fight is effectively a [censored] climix
My only true complain here is: the first time, I beat him alone, and he gave up. Why do I need help the second time?

Raise the difficulty to master, and tell me if you can still work on 10 different skill trees without getting smacked down by a snow bear. Not gonna happen.

have to agree with the OP. most of the game is great, but the gameplay could use some work. To much hand holding. thing is the world is so big, that it could accommodate some very hard quests and still plenty of easy stuff for the casuals. casuals are not going to do everything anyway, so why not have some quests you have to investigation and research to find them? NPC's could of had much more depth, companions as well ( i know they said they didnt want to, but they still could of had a bit more lines) and bunch of other stuff. hopefully mods with fix many of them.

I really can't remember any epic fights in Oblivion... It was one of the things what was missing from that game, nothing like Dagoth Ur, Hircine, or the first dragon you kill in Skyrim. But anyways Skyrim has a lot better main quest than Oblivion, where i was kind of disappointed after it, yeah i got a shiny new armor but it was pretty crappy and i just threw it in my house. And people know that i saved the world from evil god of destruction? Yeah some highwayman i met on a bridge knew me, nobody else did. And for those epic fights, yeah dragons do get boring after you kill 10+ of those, but skyrim has a lot of other cool things like dragonpriests, Oblivion (or morrowind that game was mostly pretty easy too) never had anything that hard.

Ok. That is a justified arguement, but you can tell him his one on dungeons and rewards from said dungeons is completely wrong.
Yes, the game does lack in the main story, there is little recognition for what you do, but I think the jist of it is "you know what you did was right" I mean, I think its part of the storywriting, but you'll see when you get there. Also I think it may be the complaint that some people had of being an assasin type character and being a great hero for finishing the story, which didn't make much sense.

Also he got some very powerful dragon shouts, but i'm not defending the story. The ending in my opinion was a bit rushed.

I LOL'd

What was deeper about morrowind? i mean besides cosmetic armor choices. Morrowind was pretty much the same just with attributes instead of perks. Also it was way easier in past es games to max out all your stats, in skyrim at least your limited to your perk selection, don't beleive me? Try using any skill without perk investment. There have never been any real choices in recent games, (never played anything before morrrowind sorry). Also combat has never been this series strong point.

The truth is.

This game is just to much CASUAL. End of story.

PS. I did all the faction questlines in... what 2 days each? What a joke...

Would be nice if most people actually read the original post before replying... just saying

Lol, right.. if you do reach that lv in smithing (without using exploits such as the famous iron dagger one) you deserve it lol.

Learn to roleplay and you'll appreciate Skyrim more.

It's not an exploit. Check the definition of "exploit" - this was more like intended.

Oh My ... Please ......

and for who is saying again rise the bar , I do not see any "difficulty" or fun itswitching the difficulty to a level where the only change is that you have to reload more and more the same fight couse they kill you with one hit instead of two ... that is basically stupid idea for difficulty level .....

I used to play on Expert, but then I took a fireball in the knee and resistances didn't work.