I've been a part of it longer... : Othor Games

» Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:26 pm

The best part is when they just find out about it whereas you've known it for years, and they think they know more than you. :facepalm:

» Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:02 am

The very first Final Fantasy I ever played was 7 (the PC version), after a friend asked if I wanted to borrow his when he saw the games I liked to play, namely Arena and Daggerfall. I absolutely loved it and couldn't wait to play another one. When I finally got my hands on Final Fantasy 9 I was so excited - but then the disappointment set in quickly. Everything was so different. Everything I knew about the game had changed. I had to learn anew large portions of the game mechanics. And then they did it to me again with FFX. Why the heck are they doing this to me!

No, really I got used to it when I realized that's just how that franchise works. Every game they try to change it up, and I think people in general resist change. Some like it, but I think most don't. And that's somewhat reasonable. Who wants to relearn a game system? I just want to get immersed in the story and not worry about the particulars.

You just joined the club at the wrong (or right) time.

Final Fantasy VII was probably the biggest change for the series since its inception and sort of created the direction that the series took afterwards. IX was a return the the series roots, though most people tend to overlook it (and most just flat out hate VIII for some reason*).

*The broken Junction system. Other than that though, it was just more awesome Final Fantasy.

» Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:55 am

I don't care if someone's a mod, or if they've been a forum member from day one and amassed thousands of posts, or are walking lore/gameplay encyclopaedias. I don't feel their opinion is worth any more or less than someone else's. To claim one's opinion is worth more than someone else's is rather pompous IMO, especially when it comes to computer games. Oldtimers will always look back and say how things were better in the old days.

» Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:46 am

People earn my respect. I don't give it away.

» Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:16 pm

I absolutely hate when somebody says: "I've been doing this for thirty years!" because it means, every time (without fail - and I mean it) that they don't know a gd thing about what they're doing. They're just trying to throw (what they consider to be) their weight around, thinking that all that time counts for something (it doesn't). Maybe thirty years ago, they knew everything, but then they let themselves become stuck in their old ways and refused to adapt and evolve.

That's not necessarily the case, and sometimes it's worth listening - but in doing so, applying perhaps more rigorous standards to them. Sometimes people will use that argument when someone simply won't listen (though if they won't listen, such comments will probably be futile anyway) but that said, I have also seen plenty of people pull that stunt: they've been doing it longer, they have some sort of higher ranking, they're associated with some random group or other, and in their mind, it makes their opinion more worthwhile regardless of how informed and considered it may or may not be.

But I've seen the converse, too: "you know nothing, oldie, you're out of touch!", often said by someone about to hideously embarrass themselves.

» Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:46 am

The best part is when they just find out about it whereas you've known it for years, and they think they know more than you. :facepalm:

To my shame, I can't really claim to have never done the same. Some memories are better forgotten!

I don't care if someone's a mod, or if they've been a forum member from day one and amassed thousands of posts, or are walking lore/gameplay encyclopaedias. I don't feel their opinion is worth any more or less than someone else's. To claim one's opinion is worth more than someone else's is rather pompous IMO, especially when it comes to computer games. Oldtimers will always look back and say how things were better in the old days.

So many people here (and elsewhere) aren't using their original accounts anyway: sometimes the apparent newbie has been around for years; not that I haven't made the same mistake myself: it's human nature, I suppose. Then again, you also get people who claim to have been around since the beginning on an older account in order to try to sound more authoritative, and you can tell they're lying through their teeth. Or their keyboard, at least.

» Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:34 am

I don't care if someone's a mod, or if they've been a forum member from day one and amassed thousands of posts, or are ~~walking lore/gameplay encyclopaedias~~ Morrowind residents. I don't feel their opinion is worth any more or less than someone else's. To claim one's opinion is worth more than someone else's is rather pompous IMO, especially when it comes to computer games. Oldtimers will always look back and say how things were better in the old days.

Soon as I saw this, I had to change it :biggrin:

To prevent thread derailment, I'll say that I agree with you completely. And it can infuriate me sometimes how oldtimers are so vocal and put a newer, fresher game down so much.

» Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:15 pm

I'm an idiot.

:)

..it works for me.

That way when I do know something, I also get to be impressed with myself. :celebration:

» Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:16 pm

I'm an idiot.

..it works for me.

That way when I do know something, I also get to be impressed with myself. :celebration:

I try to do the same, but often discover I was wrong.

» Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:23 am

Should my opinions be worth more than other people's? Honestly, yeah, a tiny bit more. Because as a moderator I definitely provide more than just buying the game.

Dude, seriously? Wouldn't have expected that from you.

Should my opinion be worth more than other peoples'? I've done an utter [censored]ton for this community, in a variety of different areas, with scant recognition for it. Doesn't mean I should get more of a say than an unknown lurker, or even someone who isn't even registered on these forums. Sure, you do more for the community than an average member, but in the grand scheme of things that means absolutely nothing. Being a moderator on these forums - like leading a clan, hosting a server, organising competitions or whatever else for the community - means nothing.

» Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:34 am

The "I'm a forum veteran and therefore my opinion is worth more" argument is an example of an Appeal to Authority logical fallacy.
By stating that you are a "veteran", you are implying that you have some position of authority and therefore your opinion has more weight.

On the flip side, the "X game sold more copies and therefore the opinions of fans of Y game are not valid" is an example of an Authority of the Majority logical fallacy. By stating that the game you enjoy was more popular, you are implying that fans of a less popular game should be ignored.

Everyone should agree with what I wrote since I'm a forum veteran

» Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:49 am

and most just flat out hate VIII for some reason

I didn't mention 8 for the main reason that it wasn't part of that history I was describing. I didn't get 8 until much later. Though it does fit in part of this discussion in that I tried playing it several times and couldn't "get into it." Finally, a couple years ago, I did start playing now that I was used to the changes and more willing to work with them, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It didn't take the place of my favorite, but it was definitely a very excellent game.

Dude, seriously? Wouldn't have expected that from you.

I think it was a misunderstanding of what Ratwar was trying to say. He amended it later with:

But basically, you can't alienate your core group of followers. That's what I'm trying to say.

» Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:41 pm

Dude, seriously? Wouldn't have expected that from you.

Should my opinion be worth more than other peoples'? I've done an utter [censored]ton for this community, in a variety of different areas, with scant recognition for it. Doesn't mean I should get more of a say than an unknown lurker, or even someone who isn't even registered on these forums. Sure, you do more for the community than an average member, but in the grand scheme of things that means absolutely nothing. Being a moderator on these forums - like leading a clan, hosting a server, organising competitions or whatever else for the community - means nothing.

Thanks for expressing what I was thinking, only more eloquently than I'd manage.

» Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:43 pm

Well, the inevitable answer to that is that "the company can do what it likes", which is usually what the people who like what it's doing say. The sort of people who think that a thing being newer makes it inherently better. Therefore the newer fans enjoy the newer stuff, so they become very defensive of the company, while the older fans who feel like they supported it throught the bad times feel short-changed.

Well, certainly a company can do what it likes, within legal limits. They can even run their business into the ground making short-sighted decisions to chase after the CoD market while failing to even meet CoD standards.