Anyone ever feel like that? About anything, like a series of games, movies, books, etc? Not saying that it's correct, and someone who's been around longer SHOULD be more entitled to their opinions and be taken more seriously, but I can't help but feel that way at times.


And also, does anyone ever feel that a series you love and cherish is being invaded by others, who may eventually turn that series to something you don't like, simply by being the majority?

For example, say there's a RPG series you like, and have played it for over a decade now. The company then decides to take it mainstream with mass advertisemants (nothing wrong with that, gotta make bank after all), and then removing a lot of the features you loved to try and make it to appeal to gamers who generally prefer a different genre (or so you feel that's the reason, I guess you couldn't prove it, but whatever). It then pulls in people who you wish would never have been a part of this series you love and cherish so much.

Like I said, I know being part of something longer doesn't really mean squat, but sometimes I just can't help but feel these ways.

The only thing that matters is a green name tag or more than 3 stars under your picture.

EDIT: Sorry for double post....my mouse forces me to double click to get things done...I apparently double-clicked a bit too hard.

I know the feeling, its the inner hipster wanting to be original and obscure

Oh good grief, here we go. A thread full of sanctimonious pricks extolling the virtues of capitalism.

I'm not a [censored].

I wasn't talking about you.


Seriously, just wait. They will also deny that anything can be objectively fixed, ever.

My mistake.

I didn't mean for this to be about the company making money or all that, but rather, more so along the lines of people that end up becoming a part of a series you love after it becomes popular, and feeling a bit "bleh" about it.

They say Opinions are like backsides.... Everyones got one and they're usually full of... Well you know.

Noones "Entitled" to an opinion, you have to be able to justify it.

Well, the inevitable answer to that is that "the company can do what it likes", which is usually what the people who like what it's doing say. The sort of people who think that a thing being newer makes it inherently better. Therefore the newer fans enjoy the newer stuff, so they become very defensive of the company, while the older fans who feel like they supported it throught the bad times feel short-changed.

No. I have learned not too get attached to things that aren't alive. Except my old bed... I miss it....

Anyway. I have decided that if the company is going to make a bunch of horrible changes, then the new game isn't worth getting, or the series isn't worth continuing. That's why i try not to say "this company is my favorite." instead I like to say "This game is my favorite." Because every game company so far has made a game that I haven't really enjoyed, but they have made one that I really enjoy.

Take Rockstar for example- I love Red Dead Redemption and the latest GTA, but I don't like much else by them. Not even their earlier GTAs.

Then there is Bethesda- I like Oblivion, but am not a fan of the fallout series, or even morrowind all that much.

But then there is Bioware... I wish I could take their computers away from them, and send them to the corner to think about how their actions have made others around them miserable... <_<

Haha, as a huuuge fan of The Matrix, I can completely understand this mentality...

This fits how I feel at times exactly. I understand change can be good, and does need to happen (to an extent I suppose), but there are times when I feel exactly that.

That's how I feel about almost every franchise these days.

I support Bethesda (among others) despite being their fan for a long time and not liking some of the choices. I'm willing to give it a try, and if I don't like it, fine. Bethesda isn't making a game for me, based on my specific wants and catered to my every whim. They are making a game for themselves, and for all gamers everywhere, and not everyone is going to agree what makes it good or bad. Oftentimes things get in the way of development - they have limited time, money, people, etc., and can't make the perfect game for everyone. Features are cut, features are scaled down.

Just because I've been a fan for going on 10 years doesn't make my opinion more valid than someone who came for Fallout (or someone who has been here since Arena). Being a fan doesn't entitle you to anything at all.

But we might feel artistic integrity shouldn't be compromised in the name of making a quick buck.

Only every day. Everyone I hang out with is younger than me so I love to pull the 'respect your elders' card

well I don't really subscribe to the "the older you get the more humble you become" (some people may, but seniority alone is not what makes you wise or humble) as most elderly people I know are prone to childish behavior as much as a toddler.

In fact I don't think any one ever really grows up, but merely puts up a facade to make one self superior and distinct from those who are more new to the world, simply because others previous to them looked down upon them.

I know that is not exactly what the OP meant, but I think what I said can easily apply to the topic on hand if you think it over.

@WWranger I have alot of younger friends, partly because I am a big man child, but also because people of my same age group already have the same experience and knowledge base as me and I really like to blow younger peoples minds. I guess. I am not hanging out with middle school kids, just people 4 or 5 years younger than me. however as the years have gone on that gap is not so big and now I have become kind of irrelevant to my younger friends.

I hate it when people don't understand something, and I mean any type of media. They don't understand it and therefore have a wrong opinion. Yes, there is a such thing as wrong opinions.

The whole point of an opinion is that it can't be wrong, it's different for every person.

agreed... well actually no. it is different for every person, and its true that there is no such thing as a "wrong" opinion, however many people use the sentence "the whole point of an opinion is that it can't be wrong" as an excuse to over look the fact that every idea and theory is with out exception flawed, and to promote the idea that popular opinion is correct and indisputable without being called ignorant or misinformed.

... so I disagree... basicly imo ( ) there is no such thing as right or wrong. the universe, and every thing in it, simply IS.

I never said there can be correct opinions. If an opinion was right or wrong then it wouldn't be an opinion. :tongue:

Still, your earlier point made sense.Educated opinions tend to be more valid than completely thoughtless opinions, so one is greater....in my opinion.

We might feel that, just as we might feel that the quest compass was the best thing ever or that the PS3 has killed TES. We have a right to our opinions, no matter how positive or negative, informed or ignorant, they are. However, this doesn't mean that Bethesda has to take our opinions as fact and tailor their games around them.

I'm going to ignore the argument of whether artistic integrity is being compromised in the name of a quick buck.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, no matter if they are right or wrong, or how long they've been doing something. And everyone else is free to agree or disagree with that opinion.
Everyone is also entitled to being able to change their opinion... including a game design studio.

You're in your right to disagree with their decision, but they have no obligation to give a rat's ass about anyone else's opinion.

In this case, money is the only true voice you have in the matter. If you don't like it, don't buy it.