Bethesda is due for its Sgt Pepper's moment

Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:47 am

The symphonies ruined TLAWR before Abbey Road was even recorded. Also Abbey Road WAS The Beatles opus imo, Sgt Peppers is incredibly overrated. Nice cover art though.
It was a play on words in the albums chronological release order. And the Best Album was and always has been the White Album.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:02 am

Given the amount of whining, complaining, sniping, crying, blubbing and general all-round hardcoe sooking about changes made in Skyrim from Oblivion or Morrowind, you've got to be kidding me. If a game developer was to do something truly innovative, half the members here would have a brain aneurysm.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:08 am

I think a big problem is that a lot of game developers make games to make money while the things like sgt peppers and Citizen Kane where made to make art.
well if people just made games for themselves then that is the only people they will cater to, so you could have a game that is specifically designed for only 1 person and everyone else in the world would absolutely hate it
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:10 am

Given the amount of whining, complaining, sniping, crying, blubbing and general all-round hardcoe sooking about changes made in Skyrim from Oblivion or Morrowind, you've got to be kidding me. If a game developer was to do something truly innovative, half the members here would have a brain aneurysm.
Not really. The notion that critics are afraid of change is one of the dumbest fallacies spouted on these forums.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:03 am

It was a play on words in the albums chronological release order. And the Best Album was and always has been the White Album.

Hmm each to their own I guess. There was 70% filler on The White Album for me. The other 30% was awesome though, I'll agree.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:12 am

Not really. The notion that critics are afraid of change is one of the dumbest fallacies spouted on these forums.
really, go to basically any guns or multiplayer threads no one will even consider it half of the comments are just no
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:02 pm

It was a play on words in the albums chronological release order. And the Best Album was and always has been the White Album.

Don't want this to turn into a Beatles discussion, but imo Revolver remains the best, far and away. ;)

Anyway, I'm in agreeance with the guy that said that Bethesda already had their 'Sgt Pepper's' moment; it was Morrowind. It's just too bad that they were too small of a company at the time for anyone to recognize it.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:52 am

Hmm each to their own I guess. There was 70% filler on The White Album for me. The other 30% was awesome though, I'll agree.
70% filler...Wha? Piggies, Everybodys Got Something to hide..., Savoy Truffles, and Rev 9 (arguably), were the only filler songs.

Edit: Wild Honey Pie was filler as well.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:49 am

We're on thread drift.... the White album is my personal favorite, but to say Pepper's is overated is not to understand the time and the repercussions. I forget who, another famous Britisher of a famous band a decade or so later told Rollingstone that the White Album was still the ideal- the right combination of great work, relaxation, fun; and he wanted to do that too. But the album that changed the world was not the white album. The White Album is the only glimpse of a more personal Beatles we ever had-it's the bridge into modern rocknroll. The songs weren't forumula for success, they had the livingroom feel. That's why I like it. But man, to knock Sgt Peppers... it sent shockwaves through the music world and that are still there.

If the Beatles hadn't been killed that day in NY we would have had Beatles projects over the years- and the music would be more like the White album than Peppers. There was no reason to ever do Peppers again.

This is my opinion. And critics and music historians dont' believe Peppers was overated.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:10 am

Well since this thread is all about the beatles now....I need to point out that

REVOLVER IS THEIR BEST ALBUM.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:03 pm

Thank you, Exordiom, for pointing that out. Also, nice khajiit there. :P
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:24 am

Why do some people think criticism of Skyrim has anything to do with respect and admiration for Bethesda; do some people honestly believe the critics just like being critics? That's...silly.

If Bethesda reached they might fail, but they wouldn't lose my 60 dollar entrance fee.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:29 pm

Thank you, Exordiom, for pointing that out. Also, nice khajiit there. :tongue:

Your welcome. And thank you very much.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:14 pm

Of the pre Psychedelic Beatles, Revolver down, I would pick Revolver, but I think that side one of Rubber Soul is better than any one side of Revolver, Revolver just has both sides.

But enough about that, Morrowind was their pinnacle.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:54 am

On topic, Bethesda has never really experimented, and probably never will do anything too drastic.

If anything, I'd say Fallout 3 was their Sgt Pepper moment; as they basically took a turn-based franchise only remembered by its fans and largely unrecognizable to the current mass gaming market, and completely revamped the series.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:06 am

We cant be certain about wich game is the greatest if there is still more to come.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:44 am

Not really. The notion that critics are afraid of change is one of the dumbest fallacies spouted on these forums.


LOL! How about no. Maybe you should post less and read more.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:38 am

Of the pre Psychedelic Beatles, Revolver down, I would pick Revolver, but I think that side one of Rubber Soul is better than any one side of Revolver, Revolver just has both sides.

But enough about that, Morrowind was their pinnacle.

+1 for both comments.

I feel like, for every two awesome things that they add to the series with each successive installment, there are three awesome things that they take away. I just don't understand why we have to expect progress at the expense of regression. If they had kept the Attributes and class system, at the very least, Skyrim could have the potential to be even better than Morrowind.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:20 am

+1 for both comments. I feel like, for every two awesome things that they add to the series with each successive installment, there are three awesome things that they take away. I just don't understand why we have to expect progress at the expense of regression. If they had kept the Attributes and class system, at the very least, Skyrim could have the potential to be even better than Morrowind.
That's the thing though, I prefer my Beatles on heavy amounts of acid. But yeah, for every one step in the right direction, too much ends up getting cut for said compromise.





LOL! How about no. Maybe you should post less and read more.
Er, maybe you shouldn't spout fallacies and come off as totally ignorant. LOL at afraid of change.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:17 am

That's the thing though, I prefer my Beatles on heavy amounts of acid.
+1
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:38 am

Er, maybe you shouldn't spout fallacies and come off as totally ignorant. LOL at afraid of change.

Over 1400 posts in 2 months, generally complaining about change, by yourself alone, let alone all the other n00bs who are shedding their salty tears of complaint about how the series is "roond".

The evidence speaks for itself....
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Over 1400 posts in 2 months, generally complaining about change, by yourself alone, let alone all the other n00bs who are shedding their salty tears of complaint about how the series is "roond". The evidence speaks for itself....
That's how the Conqueror rolls. I tell it like it is. Ive only ever complained about the cut features, and auto regen health in Skyrim. Never anything else. Hell, as a vet I don't even complain about the bugs. They are part of the deal. People tend to voice out only when things go wrong usually. Everything else is pretty much good, or great. But the cut things are huge, and choices and options that were very deep and gave lots of mileage are not in a vanilla Skyrim. cut options that aren't replaced isn't "change" anybody should believe in, unless they just don't care if they are given less. So in conclusion, lol at change. Some of the best aspects of the ES came from change, and redesigning certain aspects. But they were just that, redesigns, not straight cutting.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:44 am

Yes, because someone's join date is totally relevant to how long they've been play the Elder Scrolls series. Just because I can see change and logically anolyze it totally makes me lower than you. Don't get me wrong, I love Skyrim, but more and more I'm finding that the lore is the only thing left that's keeping this an "Elder Scrolls" title.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:46 pm

That's how the Conqueror rolls. I tell it like it is. Ive only ever complained about the cut features, and auto regen health in Skyrim. Never anything else. Hell, as a vet I don't even complain about the bugs. They are part of the deal. People tend to voice out only when things go wrong usually.

Don't bother man, that guy is a known troll tr0l, going around just flaming people who say anything not-positive about the game, you can see it in his post content too :smile:
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:37 am

Yes, because someone's join date is totally relevant to how long they've been play the Elder Scrolls series. Just because I can see change and logically anolyze it totally makes me lower than you.

New blow ins come in, troll the forums for a few weeks, stink up the place, pee in the corner, and then vanish, leaving behind a nasty stink but little of value. Some of them make so many posts there's no way they can be playing the game, and I am sure are just here solely to troll.

Don't get me wrong, I love Skyrim, but more and more I'm finding that the lore is the only thing left that's keeping this an "Elder Scrolls" title.

People aren't afraid of change at all, are they...?

Besides, the Sgt Peppers moment has already been and gone. GTAIII. Ironically, at the time, there were a whole mess of people who said it wouldn't work, 1st person would ruin the series, it just wouldn't be GTA... in fact, all the sentiments expressed by the "Oh no they have changed this and I don't like it so it's ruined the whole series is ruined rawr rawr rawr" brigade here.

The "Sgt Peppers" for Bethesda moment is unlikely to occur within TES because of the naysaying brigade, who hate everything that's changed since Daggerfall, and for people like you and Erandur above you, well, it will never happen for you. You will never be satisifed.
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