I got the "you can never ever finish the Civil War quest on either side" today.

I do too. They left Morrowind a mess, and Oblivion still has many broken quests. Skyrim is still in the patching process. It has already gotten more attention than Morrowind and Oblivion.

I've logged 100hrs + and had 1 or 2 crashes on my xbox. I have a very capable PC but I decided on the console version. A project of this size and the negitive stability reviews made me think tis game would be a nightmare but thats just hatin'

I stopped reading when the OP referred to "story mode". That pretty much tells me all I need to know.

troll.


well that was my modus operandi in OB, FO3, FONV and skyrim (at first) also. but leaving autosaves on here (ps3) is one sure fire way to crash my ps3 repeatedly.

What a trip. That's a new one by me. Look closely, though: He ran through the wall but the game world wasn't rendered on the other side. This glitch would only be useful if the area you are trying to reach is in the same cell.

You shouldn't rely on autosaves, as they often corrupt. Autosaves should really only be back-ups. I keep 4-5 manual save files per character

The "Final" patch for Oblivion was an insult.

A nordic puzzle door would be perfect, since they don't trigger loading screens. So, for the OP, if this works, it's a solution.

And not just for dungeons, think of the merchants chests. I found a way beneath the ragged flagon to those 6 chests with my wooden plate

As a software engineer, I know it's virtually impossible to exhaustively test any non-trivial program and these games definitely qualify. In our world, safety critical systems are tested as much as they can be and there are restrictions on the process to ensure (as much as possible) that there are no bugs that can actually kill someone. Even so you can never be sure -- it's just too complex. In a game, bugs are annoying, but not actually dangerous to life or even property. They can go on testing forever and still not get the last bug out. The only real way to do this is to have a good process and good people and make a good judgement on when to release. Skyrim seems to be about right to me. Fallout 3 had a few too many lockups for my taste.

It might be worth considering how a user having a problem could send their bugs (along with a game save) to Bethesda through the internet (even using PS3 and XB360s) so that they can find their bugs easier. The trouble is to really get the right data, you'd have to detect the problem and dump the file somewhere the user could send it (or send it automatically if the user gave permission). Or if it is a quest problem, you could send a game save any time. But Bethesda isn't on the hook to solve those problems in the same way as we are on the hook to the government. Ever wonder why government contracts are so expensive? Partly it's all the process and checks and testing and accountability that go with them.

Thanks for the advice but I did that a bunch of times it wouldn't work for me. I worked at it for 2 hours but nothing worked. Hence this rant

Try the plate. Wouldn't it be awesome if a bug fixes your bug?

This happened to me and it is because you touched (tried activating) the magically sealed door before you got the ghost guy to open it for you. Reload a save before you touched the door and it should work, it did for me.

Dozens of games on the PS3 have bloated saves issues. It's Sony's problem, not Bethesda's. Maybe they shouldn't use such an obscure system that can't handle ports from other systems?

This thread badly needs to be cleaned up. With all the Trolling and Flaming and Spam and whatnot flying around.

However, since this thread has no real merit, I will just close it and leave it in the mess as is.