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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:46 am

That's not how it works.
Microsoft payed Bethesda to release it first on Xbox. It is not as if Bethesda favors the Xbox by any means.
And anyway, what do you expect when you bought a blue ray player as your primary gaming console?
Funny considering the state of my PS3. I boguht it because (after promotions) it was the cheapest blu-ray player on the market by about $50. To this day I only have MGS 4 and Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

It's good that MGS:Rising is coming for PC.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:29 pm

How is it punishing anyone except Beth (who are in fact at fault)? They'd get the DLC on the same day.

Also, the letter of the law is a bit different, but in the case where a contract can be refunded without causing significant problems, basically any judge is going to A) Let you out of the obligation or B) Charge you a trivial amount in "punitive damages," the kind of amount Beth wouldn't bat an eye at. The odds of a serious judgement in MS' favor are not good. Were this a launch title or MS did a ton of advertising it would be a different story. Consoles are very release-day oriented as a market. The big sales have already been made.

Additionally, Microsoft wouldn't want to go to court. right now the gaming industry is out of regulator eyes. I can tell you right now that business regulators would look very unfavorably on these kinds of agreements. Microsoft has been heavily fined for it in the past over paying developers to keep their applications on Windows or intentionally under-develop other versions (IE Mac or Linux). I guarantee you that if this case went to court, these agreements would be illegal within ten years. It's a fact that what MS / Beth did was unethical, and devoted fans of the Xbox platform are very lucky that regulators' eyes are on MS' Operating System / traditional software business. Same thing for devoted fans of Sony's platform. As far as I know Nintendo doesn't do these sort of "back room deals" (quoted for being filthy buzzword scum that gets abused in news a lot).

A high profile case would do a lot of harm to MS' future business.
In what state did you pass the bar? Frankly you have no idea what you're talking about, I suggest you google search expectation, reliance, and restitution damages and review those before posting any legal opinions on contracts. Or on second thought if you aren't an attorney don't post legal opinions
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:27 pm

tl;dr: PS3 should get something special. Get on it Bethesda?

How about a Dovahkin baby soother?
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:15 pm

Give it a rest. If they told you it couldn't be done on your console, you and all the other PS3 players here would never let it go. There'd be non-stop crying and fake boycotts for months.

Not only do you have a weak grasp of contract law, but you also have a weak grasp of reality.

If they told the public initially they couldn't release it on the PS3 because of hardware issues, why on earth would there be a boycott? Or a "fake boycott"? Someone has a weak grasp of reality, alright. So a PS3 owner would ...boycott the game on the Xbox that they don't own because it wasn't released on the PS3? Is that what you're saying? Honestly think before you type.

The game was released with serious issues on the PS3 that have been demonstrated/reported/proven over and over for players who have put enough time into the game. Which correctly, is not the majority of players as I don't think the majority has spent more than 20hours playing it yet (though this forum would give you other ideas). The remedy for anyone experiencing the lag-breaking-my-game issue is a refund in full. That's the end of story and consumer protection laws are in place in most jurisdictions to do this.

If the defective game breaks your console, then yes, liability insurance owned by Bethesda should cover the PS3 damage (if proven which would be difficult). The insurance would not pay for the game to refunds/recall if Bethesda announced such, as that is defective and would be up to Bethesda to cover.

It would be a nice gesture for Bethesda to do something to those affected by the PS3 issues, but it is not like the Xbox or PC versions haven't suffered their share of issues either. All over Bethesda just needs to look into Blizzard for guidance on bug quality control PRE release date and stop listening to marketing's 11/11/11 demands.

That's how liability insurance works anyway.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:33 am

The game was released with serious issues on the PS3 that have been demonstrated/reported/proven over and over for players who have put enough time into the game. Which correctly, is not the majority of players as I don't think the majority has spent more than 20hours playing it yet (though this forum would give you other ideas). The remedy for anyone experiencing the lag-breaking-my-game issue is a refund in full. That's the end of story and consumer protection laws are in place in most jurisdictions to do this.

If the defective game breaks your console, then yes, liability insurance owned by Bethesda should cover the PS3 damage (if proven which would be difficult). The insurance would not pay for the game to refunds/recall if Bethesda announced such, as that is defective and would be up to Bethesda to cover.

That's how liability insurance works anyway.

Why don't you leave the legal practice to Bethesda's attorneys?
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:30 am

Hell NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:22 am

knock on wood, i have over 150h on the ps3 version and i haven't had any issues at all.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:30 am

Troll.

No I'm not a troll
Just cause you were offended by my truthfulness, doesn't make me a troll
Not my fault you regret owning a PS3
Not my fault you did no research before buying a console.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:28 am

I havent played the ps3 version,i do own a ps3 but after recent efforts of porting games especially fallout NV and its problems i decided to get skyrim for PC,there are problems,and there are for all hardware by all accounts but i havent found anything gamebreaking personally.

i do think this is a slightly ridiculous topic,i would normally not bother to post but making a big fuss over DLC seems a bit lame to me,microsoft were clever enough to pay for exclusivity,sony had the chance and could have outbid microsoft at any point but it is not part of their strategy,(i do not own a 360 btw)
i learnt 3 years ago with sony that ps3 will nearly always wait rather than go for exclusivity and it doesnt really bother me,if you have a life then waiting isnt really all that hard,use the time you are waiting for the DLC to do something productive rather than writing a lot of ill informed 'knowledge' about contract law etc

And most of all enjoy the fact that bethesda spent 4 years making a game that is fantastic in the most part,unlike developers who churn out a new title every year (COD) and barely change anything other than having a new 6 hour campaign. I musta spent that time in just 3 or 4 dungeons let alone the rest of the game.There is going to be problems with a game of this magnitude otherwise we would have waited another 2 years for QA to test every plausible situation.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:05 pm

No I'm not a troll
Just cause you were offended by my truthfulness, doesn't make me a troll
Not my fault you regret owning a PS3
Not my fault you did no research before buying a console.

No, I picked the better console.

- BlueRay Player
- Better Graphics
- Better Exclusives
- Free Online
- Web Browsing
- True 1080P
- More 3D games
- Better Controller
- PS Plus
- PS Home
- PS2 and PS1 Classics
- PSP Connect Play
- PS Mini Games
- Games take 1 Disc

I think I would pick that over XBOX...and its 49% failure rate after two years...
Or a PC and its dying community....
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:31 pm

This has to be one of the most moronic topics I've seen on this forum, and I've seen several 'arrow in the knee' topics.

The DLC exclusivity made Bethesda a ton of money, like it does for any company that enters an exclusivity deal with Microsoft. Good for them, as it helps them actually pay their damn employees, if you want DLC at all, think of the people needed to make it in the first place. They don't make it for us or for our benefit, they make it to make money, it is their job, not their life, they owe us nothing.

The exclusivity is also timed, they only get it a month early, just a month and not everyone is having the same, or even as many issues as you are with the PS3 version. I've had scarcely any trouble, and I'm on my second PS3 which needed a laser replacement.

Stop being a whiny child, accept that the game industry is only going to get more competitive and that the exclusivity doesn't endure as long as Fallout 3's did.

We are still getting the DLC, just a little later than the 360 will, I'm certain a month won't kill you.

Yes it's a dike move, no I don't like waiting for DLC that will inevitably be overpriced and bug-ridden but no amount of whining at Bethesda on their own forums is going to do a damn thing about it.

Gaming is an industry, Skyrim and it's associated DLCs a product, it is not a service, it is not a right, it is a convenience, Bethesda are a company and companies need to make money to survive.

It doesn't matter how much you, I or anyone dislikes it. DLC exclusivity is here to stay, no matter how irritating it is, simply be grateful the delay is only a month, it could be longer.
Good explaination

http://law.yourdictionary.com/solemnity-of-contract
Read This

MS would not take Beth to court on this. These contracts would be brought to the courts' attention if they did, and would shortly stop existing in the game industry.
Uh ya they would

Playing on Xbox. Haven't had ANY problems other than my horse floating once. :confused: But PS3 gamers always get the worse end of the stick when it comes to multi-plat games, simply because the Xbox 360 is more like a PC and hence easier to develop games on than the PS3. This is why I have an above-average gaming PC and an Xbox 360 - because as far as I can see, there are NO benefits to the PS3 over the 360. I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm sure it's mostly down to preference rather than anything in particular for most people, but as I can see, the PS3 is the worst of the proper consoles with PC, obviously, the best for gaming on the whole.
Thats the way I do it with both 360 and PC. And Apparently I made the right choice.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:39 am

Why don't you leave the legal practice to Bethesda's attorneys?

I didn't mention legal practice at all. I'm only pointing out that a product recall would not happen for this game unless it was frying people's PS3s (which it isn't).

I am saying the remedy for a game that is broken on the PS3 is to take it back and get a refund, or wait for patches that fix the problem. Amazon is giving refunds, as are more than a few stores. That's all.

It's amusing to watch the Amazon and meta-critic scores of the game plummet on the PS3 version. I believe it's fast approaching 2.5/5 on Amazon and 6/10 on meta crtic. That's hardly sounding like a minority of players are experiencing problems.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:23 am

Nope.
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Klaire
 
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:22 am

Bethesda doesnt need to apologize for anything if you dont like the game you can return it
You obviously don't understand...
The game is good, it is just broken! Why should i return something that i payed MORE than pc users for? They need to fix this and i hope they know that..
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:02 am

Are the console versions really that bad? You'd think - being a console - EVERYONE would be having the exact same issues.
mines fine there re little things here and there but they are rare the biggest
one ive seen is the the one where you fly up in the air when a giant hits you.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:23 am

Look, we've all seen some issues with the PS3 game. That's the one I have. But lets be real here. I have beaten this game. I did it in 19 days 6 hours ending last night. With just at 200 hours of playing game time. I have 97% of all the trophies. I'm missing just one trophy. I have a one Daedric quest to do for the Plat trophy. Only it's fricken bugged. It's the The Cursed Tribe. Where you go to talk to the women in that village. Only the damn women is not there. So I can't even start the quest. In fact the village is a ghost town. So people who are saying this game is unplayable can't be correct. Did I have frame rate issues? Sure, my game file was 12gb for a long time, then ended the game at 13gb. After I did the patch, it ran so much better. But in any case, I still played the game and loved every minute of it. I'll even still continue on exploring the world. I've found like 220 places and I thinks there's more to be found.

Btw, PSN name is ZBlacktt
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:16 pm

ROFL.
"Apology"? Lol. What a joke. As if the Xbox version of this game is ANY better. I've stopped playing until they actually fix this texture issue.

Oh no, a bush popped up in front of me. I mean really? You guys are sad.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:22 pm

Or a PC and its dying community....

You mean growing community?
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:49 am

No I'm not a troll
Just cause you were offended by my truthfulness, doesn't make me a troll
Not my fault you regret owning a PS3
Not my fault you did no research before buying a console.
You are trolling sir.
I don't regret buying a PS3.
Did my research.
Bought PS3 because of said research.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:10 pm

No, I picked the better console.

- BlueRay Player
- Better Graphics
- Better Exclusives
- Free Online
- Web Browsing
- True 1080P
- More 3D games
- Better Controller
- PS Plus
- PS Home
- PS2 and PS1 Classics
- PSP Connect Play
- PS Mini Games
- Games take 1 Disc

I think I would pick that over XBOX...and its 49% failure rate after two years...
Or a PC and its dying community....
To be honest, they're both crap. Both Xbox & PS3 were failures. Definintely not worth buying the first couple years that they came out. The PS3 is basically a movie player for me now, haven't played any games on it since Red Dead and before that it was UFC or something... Now these consoles are holding back the gaming industry, not to mention they're rip offs.

This is all my personal opinion of course.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:24 pm

tl;dr: PS3 should get something special.

A 360 or PC?

Sorry, sorry, that was mean.

But really "patches aren't enough"? There is a game with issues for a number of people on a particular console (but not all), the company is releasing fixes to correct the issue but that isn't "enough"? They should also get free stuff. And you mention DLC as a compensation but at one point say "what if they don't have the Ps3 on the internet?" Yeah...

No. Patches are enough. Fixing the game is enough.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:14 pm

To be honest, they're both crap. Both Xbox & PS3 were failures. Definintely not worth buying the first couple years that they came out. The PS3 is basically a movie player for me now, haven't played any games on it since Red Dead and before that it was UFC or something... Now these consoles are holding back the gaming industry, not to mention they're rip offs.

This is all my personal opinion of course.
Why were they failures? I have never regret my purchase of PS3 and PS3 slim.
And how are they holding back the gaming industry?
You got me curious, sir.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:00 am

If I had a nickle for every person that tries to say "by law" or "in the law" but doesn't know jack about law.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:02 pm

Beth should cancel DLC exclusivity, even though it ends within a couple of months and it's not their fault that the PS3 has a divided memory system. I say no and I would suggest waiting for the next patch to come out.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:10 pm

I seriously havent had a single problem on my PS3 original and I play for many hours
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