Male rights is now considered bizarre and an insult? Misandry at its best.

Lol really? then how do you explain this latest article on Steam?

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/01/29/the-elder-strolls-part-8-a-mammoth-decision/?ns_campaign=article-feed&ns_mchannel=ref&ns_source=steam&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0

She turns down love because he can't give here a house? What happened to that whole gender equality thing? I guess we still fall back on it when it suits us; society's old stereotypes. But if a man providing for a woman says she should be in the kitchen, it's WW3! XD

I keed, I keed. But it’s still a double-standard.

No, but that stands for half of the content of Skyrim's forum section.


It's not that, it's just that many gamers actually are how movies show off perfect archetypes of nerds, who usually suffer from social life alltogether, let alone interaction with females. To be honest, most gamers I met via internet are someone who I don't wanna have much to do with, and I'm male. I find this board to be pretty alright though, at least it was before Oblivion modding community came around, so I expect to see it even worse now.

i bet her boyfriend got her to take that picture lol

I've already shared my experience on why I think there are few female gamers. Now you're relying on the fact that there are closet girl gamers, and there could be more than they reveal themselves, which is already a stretch. Once again, girls are not embarassed to show themselves on blizzcon, but the majority are now embarassed to admit to their friends and colleagues that they like games.

And coincidently, the ones that I meet in life do play games and are afraid to reveal themselves, but the ones you know are not afraid to show it? I already mentioned in my posts that 1 or 2 reveal themselves in group outings. We don't alienate those girls.

Occam's razor suggests that the simplest explanation is the most plausible one, there are indeed girl gamers, but not many of them. Saying that there are closet cases that only talk to girls and not guys, that they are afraid to show themselves because they are afraid of being treated badly, are really becoming a stretch.

Once again, one of these threads pops up, and shows that the population of Earth has a thing or two to learn from the population of Nirn.

Oh come on, Planescape is a terrible example. With these graphics most of teenage male gamers wouldn't touch it either

Maybe we should define "many". Many as in "we're here", not many as "half of all gamers". Many as in "everybody knows at least two female gamers, they might just not know it".
I don't know why you don't see any girls around during such events, I can only speculate. It might be because we're not die-hard fans; we don't feel the need to express our love for WoW or any other game. Perhaps most of us are casual gamers: we see a title we're interested in, we buy it an enjoy it, but our lives don't revolve around it. One of my female friends is a gamer (as in "has played a lot of games"), but would never attend a midnight release or convent or anything, she's just not that interested. It's not her hobby, it's something she does in her free time, like watching TV or riding a bicycle. She wouldn't go to a meeting of a TV show fans or bikers either.


You're absolutely right - they should leave their basemants. This is a forum, there are women all over the place and people are still starting threads about female gamers being practically nonexistant. Why? How? Do they really believe we're all men pretendind to be women? And then you have Nubius claiming he's only ever met 3 girls who played games. It surprises me too, but evidently there are many men like him.

Don't bother unless it really bothers you. Look at mine. I still get the "dude, bro," etc, thing. Even when there is information available that should let the commenter know I'm a girl. It's because most gamers are still guys (although, yes, there are girl gamers too) and it's just the assumption that it's another guy behind the keyboard.

The author is Christopher Livingston. Where's the "she" part, or am I missing something?

You could be roleplaying someone of traditional mindset. Though I don't know why people think Angrenor is so nice. Must have missed the opener where he's harassing a Dunmer woman.

Ahaha... that would be rich. A male playing a female traditionalist. OK, you got me! XD

Well how about a deal, we will leave our basemants if you ask them to leave their kitchens.

And threads on the forums are not a good source because the forums only make up 2% of the entire gaming population. If you want a source on that statistic, I can only offer you a 40+ min slideshow by an EA employee regarding Battlefield.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

At best it only confirms what most of us already know, there are indeed female gamers. But the point in contention is, how many of you there are.

No, I'm saying that amongst the gamers I've known a substantial minority have been female and that number is increasing
Given that women are sometimes treated badly in online gaming communities its not unreasonable to suggest that some don't reveal themselves and that others stick to SP games where they don't have to deal with sixual harrassment or personal abuse

My husband would completely disagree with you on that. Since early November, he's barely seen me emerge out of the computer room and he's complained bitterly about it.




I get the same thing on Nexus quite a bit. It doesn't bother me too much. Sometimes I'll correct them, sometimes not. To be fair, there's not much call for the subject of my gender to come up in most conversations although I think my username is a pretty feminine sounding one.

Well I never argued that there are no girls on the internet. There are indeed female gamers, I've stated this many times. But not so many that I still wouldn't be surprised if one tells me that they play games.

That's actually pretty cool. Have you ever trolled or flamed her? I would to my wife if she posted on a forum I used... but she is perfectly content to just play the Sims.

The most recent stats don't back you up there.

Female fans are not a new phenomenon either. For years, JRPGs have been fortuitous enough to have a plethora of female fans. The Final Fantasy fandom is dominated by works produced by its female fans, over 25% of Pokemon players are female now (going on Black/White stats) and although not a JRPG, it's worth noting that one of the most popular franchises of all time, The Sims, currently has more female fans than male. Women also play a online games more than men do. I'm not talking about multiplayer modes and online competitions, but browser-based games like Farmville and Neopets. There are women who practically devote their lives to those browser based games. MMOs tend to have a decent number of female players too.

TES doesn't have as many female followers as some of the above, but there are an awful lot of us. Go to tumblr and type in 'Farkas' or 'Vilkas' and see just what kind of results pop up. Women might be drawn to Skyrim for different reasons than most men, but there are enough features for the game to have a nice, broad appeal.

Well the problem with the internet is some males do pretend to be females. Unless you hear them on Teamspeak or see them on a webcam it`s reall dangerous to assume a forumer is a woman because he\she says he\she is.

Also having a female avatar don`t mean you`re female. Some guys have a female pciture because it`s something they like the look of. Like a pin-up.

so its not just the dancing nanners?......who knew?

Well finding a female WoW player is already an incredibly rare occurence for me, and WoW is played by 10 million people. My chances of finding someone who plays my games would be about as rare as finding a female dwarf warlock in WoW.

I'm still confused. The article is written by a man and his character is male. He got hit on by Angrenor when he was wearing an amulet of Mara, but decided not to marry a homeless guy. It's not especially backward thinking to want your spouse to have a job other than panhandling.

It`s not that female gamers are new. It`s just that they`re still few.

Heck, we had a female gamer way back in 1989 therabouts when we did rpgs. Who knows, maybe she`s playing Skyrim right now.

A female gamer is still considered somewhat unusual when compared to the amount of male gamers.

To be honest, i`m not sure if we should ever expect it to be a 50\50 thing and if it becomes like 80/20 thing I would have to wonder where all the men will go?

Article notwithstanding (I admittedly only skimmed it and in retrospect it was probably a bad example), but in general, while society tolerates women in the workplace more today than in the past, there is still a HUGE double standard. Women's average salary for the same position is still less. More women still hold more traditional roles (secretary, nurse, etc., or as in the TV series Flash Forward, where the Japanese girl is asked to serve the others tea), and for the most part, again while tolerated, it is still frowned on for men to stay at home while women bring home the money.

This was depicted at length in the film “After six.”

Just a couple hundred years ago it was almost a law of the "nuclear family." Many films have mocked this, more recently Pleasantville. Men carry the briefcase, do the commute, make the money at the office or the factory, women stay at home, raise the kids, cook the meals. It is tradition, and as someone here already pointed out, it goes back to millions of years of tribal hunter gatherer genetic conditioning. Women weren't (most often) seen as strong enough to hunt, or were considered property (which is still the case in more countries than not today.)

It isn't that we can't overcome genetics, but you have to realize its been only a few thousand years of real technological change against millions of conditioned instinct. Granted the context of the moment takes priority over traditions of the past based specifically on functionality and necessity, however traditions based more in BELIEF are MUCH slower to change.

That said, I am personally quite relieved to see the trend shifting. But that doesn’t mean it has entirely been shifted, and people still take advantage of that on both sides of the six line. It is times when this becomes particularly nasty (gold digging, male chauvinism, etc.) where I like to remember a song Tori Amos sang on Strange Little Girls… “If there’s war between the sixes then there’ll be no people left.”

no, it was for Bob. I'm very much under the impression from his posts that he's either not really old enough to be on the internet unsupervised, or has led an extremely sheltered life.

Hard to believe you're actually 29.

So, what are you insinuating? Because all you said was "usually says a lot about them." Could you be more specific? If I'm a male and I choose to play a female character, then I'm what... gay?

Topic notwithstanding, more MEN resort to flaming, name calling, and getting threads locked than females! XD