I don't need to prove fault with anything. All I need is to cause them more spend more money in legal charges than it would be for them to give me a refund. How much legal time can you buy for $60. I have 80 hours of attorney fees already paid for, so it won't cost me a cent. And I can guarantee that my attorneys are better than theirs.

Surprisingly, pirated copies work the way single-player, offline games actually have to: no internet connection needed, no 3rd party software needed. Just you and your game

While legit copies work the way no games should be: 3rd party software needed, downloading files without user consent (auto-update. For those who screams "auto-update is good" refer to update 1.2 incident)

Honda lost a case today because a car didn't get the MPG promised. Pretty sure there is more legal standing to a case where it doesn't work at all. And in this case I think if you are blocked from access to the product it would violate the EULA on their part. Sure it's rights but still considered a product. Oh and Beth can only restrict or change the rights if he violates the agreement or both parties sign a new agreement lol I read it all.

LOL sorry for my random stuff but have you ever thought... What if Apple sued someone or about Beths legal team? "We wanted to prepare for the case but it seemed to spreadsheety"

Tough. That's the way it is. He can choose not to buy it.
I want to eat
Loooads if big macs but I don't want to get fat. Iv chosen not to get fat.

Then your attorneys should be able to tell you that you need to prove your case to get a hearing.

At best, you would be in a small claims court, 'they' would just delay delay delay till you ran out of money. I would suggest also that whoever it is you decided to take to court would actually have in-house legal representation....and finally, did you agree to the EULA? You signed your 'rights' away...

You must be doing something wrong. Maybe some option in the client...or your computer is somehow screwed...I dont know. Too many of us play the game with no hassles...(hundreds of thousands in fact)...for the problem to be on the Steam side. it's more likely to on your side.
Instead of complaining here why not do something....like actively find out what is awry with your set-up.

Don't be silly. On the back of the copy you bought there is a hint that you need Steam to play it and you signed the Steam EULA. Your lawyer will tell you that this is in fact your problem. Also at peak times there were 4.4 million people playing Skyrim on Steam. Don't be so arrogant. The problem is most definitely at your end...

Wrong Section, this thread will be moved to the community discussion by a moderator.

Back to topic.
Check your internet, what you've choosed on Steam, Dsl etc etc.
Steam servers could be overflowing, they are having alot of players these days, many free to play game have released (Star Trek just now) <--
Turn of your internet, not on the computer. Turn of the whole modem.
What country do you live in? Could matter a little bit, all games are not available in all countries.

Ps: those thing used to help me, but i svck at this. Good Luck.

If you still don't have it fixed, try restarting Steam (shut it down by right clicking the menu icon and clicking Exit), if you haven't already.

All this complaining about Steam makes me wonder if anyone remembers, yea even 2 years ago, when we were all forced to deal with Games for Windows Live instead. Valve is a dream compared to that steaming pile.

DRM is here to stay- get used to it. As DRM and digital platforms go, Steam is a good one. As for having a "physical copy," I learned the value of that when I bought a disc of Assassin's Creed that had had the activation code hacked. It ended up being an expensive coaster. That's when Steam started getting my business for game purchases and not just activations.

Just for lols sake to the people saying "signed your rights away" Local, State and federal consumer protection laws trump EULA. They also cover electronic transfers, privacy, etc. Go read we'll talk later if you make it past page one of the statutes.

Might be illegal too; does any lawyer work on this?

And I will guarantee that US law is even less protectionist for the consumer in respect of digital/program content than are Australian or European laws...after all, the greatest online Satan of them all, Microsoft, is US. Neither electronic transfer or privacy relates to 'intellectual property' or program content and ownership, which even under US statute is treated differently to physical property.

For those decrying Steam or Valve for 'getting away with it', unless you can state that they are actually doing something underhanded, outside of their licence agreement and contract with you, and that the problem (at any specific time) was a foreseeable and avoidable (within reason) problem, then there is no fault. Somethings can't be avoided, which is why many programs have error reporting systems.

Hmm interesting, i'll ask my father (he's a prosecutor (misspell?))
Something that should be illegal is monthly game fee's.
Basically i pay for a game, but not allowed to play it? I have to buy time to play it, that's Bull****

Steam is crap. I had to jump through hoops just to get Steam to work with my hardware firewall, it took me about 4 months and lots of tech support phone calls with my hardware provider just to get Steam to run on my computer. Funny thing is that I never have problems getting any other program to run with my firewall, I can surf any porm site, any game site etc and my firewall never has a problem with it. Its only Steam that has a problem with it, and I have bought over 1000 dollars worth of games from them before I installed this firewall so im pretty pissed about it. I would remove my firewall but I currently work from home and the company I work for requires this firewall to be active 24 hours a day. So, I can't run any of my games off steam unless I connect to my neighbors internet and use offline mode everytime I update my games or download new ones.

Direct2Drive is 100x better than Steam, its less intrusive.

I must admit that Steam works so fine with me that I never have any of these technical problems. It even updates my game while I'm playing and I never notice it. The only thing that bugs me - a lot, as would Frodnar say - is that I'm forced to use it...

Not on my retail boxed DVD; it says I need Steam to activate, not that it is a requirement to play.

What are you talking about? You don't need to be online to play a Steam game.

??? I think you're talking about some other game.

And, good luck on the lawsuit. *facepalm*

You're not forced to pilot jet fighters. You are forced to use Steam if you want to plat gamesas games. Wanting to play games like FONV or Skyrim does not mean you actually want to use Steam, however.

Since we're giving advice, how about you pull your head out of whatever tiny place it's currently in and stop making terrible anologies?

First thought: [censored] Firewall


Steam is not a site, it's a software.


So it worked....before:


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That's clearly Valve's fault....yes.

Anyways: Been using Steam since the Half Life 2 Launch and never ever had any problems with it. I even have a lame 300kb/s connection.
You guys should be sure that it is not a problem with your hardware, internet, whatever on your side before claiming it's steam's fault.
Steam works fine for the most, otherwhise it wouldn't be that successful.

My biggest plus for steam are their holiday sales. If I there's a game I'd like to have, but can wait for, I'll stay patient for about a few months or a year and then I can get it for almos-75% of the original price on a holiday steam sale.
I'm always online, so I don't care if I need to be online for a game.
Steam doesn't slow down my system and doesn't bother me with adds (except for the one on the startup).

I'm fine with it.

If skyrim was a multi-player game, then I would understand that steam would be required. BUT IT IS NOT. Beth better learn before the next tes that everyone does not have internet!

You need to be online and connected to Steam to put Steam into offline mode. And Steam has a habit of putting itself back online and forcing updates (regardless of how big said updates are or how long they'll take) even if you tell it not to. So yes, for a normal user you do need an internet connection and Steam account beyond activation.

But even still, it's lame enough that you need to be online at all for a single-player offline game, whether it's all the time, occasionally, or only on install. Not everyone has fast, stable internet, not everyone wants to put their gaming PC online, and Bethesda has no business trying to prevent resale.

Yes, you are forced to use steam if you want to play the game. You are also forced to use a computer, Xbox or ps3 if you want to play the game. You are also forced to use your eyes and/or ears to play the game. You are also forced to use a display/tv to play the game. You are also forced to use electricity or other powersources to play the game!

This is outrageous! Everyone get your pitchforks out, we're going to court!!!

You are trying to troll here. By any kind of applicable and available logic invented by men and God alike, there is nothing that requires internet connection in a single-player, god dang offline game

Nor is it acceptable to have to run a 3rd party software in order to play a single-player, offline game.

Activation, perhaps, but beyond that there should be no requirement to have Steam running in order to play Skyrim. Yes, the EULA is right there, but that is because we had no other choice. You can, by all means, choose not to wear anything all the time, but you have no other choice if you want someone to recognize your existence