In the opening cutscene there are a couple a mentions of Ulfric shouting. The one specifically I'm going to reference is by General Tullius. "Ulfric Stormcloak. Some here in Helgen call you a hero, but a hero doesn't use a power like the voice to murder his king and usurp his throne." Now I'm fairly certain I've heard other rumors and such that say US killed Torygg ( I believe is his name ) by using the Thu'um. Is there any truth to this or is it just that "pass it on" kind of thing. Say where the rumor goes around that he first murders the High King, then somewhere down the line other people add little tweaks until it is not the same story. I noticed Ulfric had a gag in his mouth in the cutscene which would make a good bit of sense seeing as how he would need to speak to use The Voice. Thanks to any contributors.

yeah he can but he only did it as a show of strength you can talk to him about it and he tells you how/ and why he shouted at the high king.

yes, he used it when we took solitude and slew tullius like the dog he was you dont have to be a dovakiin to use the thu'um ya know

Yes he uses FUS RO DAH, he actually used it in the Civil war questline in my game

Yeah I know, I just figured the Greybeards were the only ones who carried on the Way of the Voice. And if there were anyone else, I figured they would seek the Greybeards out instead of living among the public.

He spent years as a boy with the Greybeards. Thats how he learned to shout. Guess he had bigger ambitions than sitting around High Hrothgar though...

Nice on pointing that out though, a lot of people seem to think you have to be Dovakhiin to shout.

What I don`t understand about Ulfric is why does a bit of cloth around his mouth stop Ulfric from using his Shout? I mean a helmet doesn`t stop me, but a bit of rag stops him?

Why didn`t he just shout his way to freedom?

I think the Beth writers made a bit of a plot hole boo boo there.

Ulfric knows two shouts -- Disarm and Unrelenting Force. He has no more mastery of the Voice than a common draugr.

It's also impossible to know which shouts he's using -- his unique voice means that the words of power he speaks have no mouth movement or sound.

Good point.

I believe if you ask Hadvar ( provided you choose him to escape with ) about the ambush, Ulfric surrenders willingly so his men would be spared. But seeing as how they began executing anyway, who knows. But I couldn't see into detail about the cloth piece, but I'd it was wadded up and shoved into his mouth, he might not be able to speak clearly enough to use the power.

actually the greybeards are the only ones who practice the way of the voice (and the thing that taught them, no spoilers though), thu'um is a simple tool while the way of the voice is a medatative practice that uses the tool to worship kyne (spelling?) whiel not actually putting it to any other use unless needed

That I did not know, thanks.

Because then that wouldn't be fun to force the player to have to remove their helmet to shout. Nerevar put an ebony helmet on Ysmir's head so his shouts would reverb and drive him insane. Helmets do stop the Thu'uum, but would you honestly want to be hassled with that?

Well yes, that`s what I thought at first, but if they`re about to be executed anyway then why didn`t he just shout and help his men escape? And if it`s because the rag about his mouth was stopping it then that doesn`t really work as he can still shout unless that thing was wedged down his throat in which case he would suffocate.

It`s been bugging me for ages.


Yes. I`d wear a helmet that allowed my mouth to show or allowed air through, there are plenty. Why the hostility? Don`t like seeing that something`s wrong in the plot? Or you don`t like someone who actually thinks a bit?

Yes, he can shout during the Civil War questline, if you ask him about Torygg's death he will tell you that he shouted at him but then gutted him with a sword.

It's obviously just a gameplay thing, they don't want to nerf players or make them remove their helmets to shout.

Ulfric's thu'um sounds like a thunderclap. Must be they didn't get Vlad to record a FUS RO DAH.

Ulfric was training to become a greybeard.

he does when you attack at anytime no matter the quest

Could you shout at all (in the real sense of the word) or pronounce any words with cloth shoved down your throat in real life? I think not.

they captured him when he was sleeping.

he had probably been involved in a drinking contest. nord mead...

Yeah, I see him as a kind of like Anakin Skywalker. Not exactly, but similar. Where Anakin thought there was more to do with his abilities, than just be a Jedi. He had ambitions of bringing order to the galaxy, etc.. There were a couple of conversations he had with Amidala along these lines.

Not that I'm comparing him to what Anakin "became later" though. That's up for question. Just comparing his need to actually "do something" with these ideas. The Greybeards don't believe in that much involvement.. To only use the voice when necessary. It's up to us follow their path or Ulfric's. At this point in the game, they consider Ulfric an outsider, along with the imperials. All "men of war" and such.

Yes, that is why he had a gag in his mouth at the beginning of the game.

Um, if any post was "hostile" it was yours. He answered your question, nothing more. Whereas you more or less accused him of being dumb.