Yeah, sometimes we forget how primitive we are, in 1,000 years I wonder what people looking back on us will think about our medicines.

That's not true. Cocaine has made people stay up for weeks on end and they don't eat, losing tens of pounds. Cigarettes don't do that. I just told you what opiate withdrawal is like then you give me link to nicotine withdrawal, which is just headaches and irritability. And of course the strong desire to smoke. You really don't know what you're talking about. But it also depends on the person, and the severity of their addiction.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiate_withdrawal_syndrome#Symptoms_of_withdrawal

I've never heard of someone selling their body for a few cigarettes.

I think you missed the entire point. There is a huge difference between the severity of withdrawal symptoms and the severity of an addiction. I can imagine people selling their bodies to be rid of the withdrawal symptoms of opium. But the fact of the matter is that at the end of the day, it's still more difficult to permanently break free of nicotine than opium.

Wow, opiate cravings are pretty severe even during recovery. Do some research.

I did. Did you? Nicotine cravings are stronger.

Nicotine does not have severe withdrawal symptoms, it's mostly psychological

I don't think you did. I know from personal experience how bad both are. You're just being ignorant. Ask any heroin addict that smokes cigarettes and they'll tell you heroin cravings are a lot worse than cigarettes cravings.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/29/magazine/nicotine-harder-to-kickthan-heroin.html

I honestly don't mean any disrespect, but your personal experience doesn't amount to much in line with the facts.

Exactly, and yet it is stronger.

Yeah, its breaking that psychological dependany that is the hard part. I know cause i've tried explaining to my girlfriend loads about it, but its hard.

I think it does. All those people that say nicotine is more obviously haven't been addicted to heroin or morphine or methadone. They both elevate dopamine in the brain. They're both really addictive, yes. But diacetylmorphine (heroin) and other opiates aren't as accepted by the general public as tobacco and cigarettes. So it's easy for a group of smokers who have never touched an opioid to say that their addiction is harder to stop than the heroin addict shaking and sweating on the bench.

Even after opiate/opioid withdrawal, when all sickness is gone, cravings are severe. Go get addicted to heroin or your parents pain pills then quit. Then start smoking cigarettes and then quit. And tell me which one is harder to quit psychologically, not physically.

Anyone who has experienced both addictions will tell you that opiates are harder to quit, and the cravings are much worse, as in psychological. But whatever, I'm done arguing with you.

This was a controlled, complex study. They didn't just ask random people on the street.

That's all really mature of you.

You have to think on this. One substance is legal, one isn't. This effects how people see one or the other. More people are going to be hooked on a legal drug, so it's easier for more people to say nicotine is more addictive, because it's legal. If all the opiate addicts in the world were to post on here, the majority of them would say opiates/opioids are psychologically more addictive.

But there's no convincing you. You just don't know. Personal experience matters in this case. Read wolfpups post. But whatever.

But what does this have to do with the study? There's a huge difference between an isolated study and a public consensus. This is SCIENCE.

Ugh, so many cigerattes. I was just discussing with someone yesterday that if I had the money, I would easily be a pack a day smoker. Whenever I do have the money for a pack it's gone within like 2 and a half days, but only because I know I won't have anymore for a while. As it is, I don't have the money for that, or anything, so I'll usually just bum 2 or 3 off friends daily. It's always on my mind. Gah.

I used to smoke about a pack a day. Now I really only smoke when I'm drinking. A pack usually lasts me 2-3 weeks. Cigarettes are around $10 per pack where I live. If I still smoked a pack a day it would be ridiculously expensive.

I have some e-cigarette stuff. It works and is actually rather pleasant. I have a couple of small bottles of the fluid with nicotine and a large bottle of fluid with no nicotine, so I can decide how much nicotine I want (even none). It's great for events where you can't smoke (like concerts), but it's not the same.

They missed the boat by not calling them cig-E's...

And nothing can replace a decent smoke.

There's a WAY better substance for that which is also more healthy. And no kids, I'm not talking about meth.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh, right.


Crack.