Congrats to FinalWish, Brakus, and Lawyer. If you started smoking after 1965, then it is on you.

Look at the movies from 30s-50s. If they didn't have a cigarette in their hand they had a drink. Sometimes both. Since this game is set in Vegas, look at pictures/movies of the Rat Pack. Different world, different time, different culture. The game does very well at conveying the attitudes of that world. It helps me to suspend belief and enjoy the game all the more. If it bothers you, don't play the game.

This, I still find it really dissapointing that we can't smoke the cigarettes. Killing, Eating people, six and gambling are all fine for a game but lighting a smoke is not aloud? :sadvaultboy:

At least there is Coyote tobacco chew.

Well, at the same time, wont everyone also be going through every possible canister in hopes of finding anything useful? hmm

I think we should be able to smoke in Fallout games. Lke the drugs and liquor in the game, cigarettes could have positive effects,like Charisma (smoking is cool), and negative effects on something like Endurance (smoking is bad for the lungs).

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People, people, these are games, just games.

I used to smoke, and it was a hard thing to quit. I think (now I'm just speculating here) that right before the Great War, when everyone knew they were all about to die, there was a mass "screw these cancer sticks" thing and they all threw their cigs in the garbage. At least they could die knowing they "beat" the addiction. Now, would those smokes be smokable after 200+ years? They'd be dust. But hey, it's a game. Now excuse me, I'm gonna go svck on a nicorette.

I collected every carton and pack I could find up until right before the final mission, went to my hotel room in Novac and dropped them one by one. As soon as I lowered my pip boy my game crashed :flame: Auto save saved me because I didn't think it would crash and my last save was 30 minutes before. I still :fallout: though.

Gameplay wise; I don't mind the cigarettes. They're common, relatively lightweight, and worth a decent amount of money.

But as for the actual environment, I think the cigs are just a statement about how corrupt everyhting and everyone is after the bombs fall. The wasteland isn't supposed to be a healthy place.

I don't think this is a statement. If anything, the fact that you can't smoke a cigarette yourself is the statement. It would be like killing kids or having six in the game; frowned upon by people.

Again, whether cigarettes appear at all in any particular game is not what I was trying to talk about, but rather the possible ways in which cigarette companies may resort to marketing them. Any nonce over the age of 12, maybe even including some of the above posters, should know about the dangers of smoking. But those that don't will not be discouraged by playing this game, and my point remains that that cannot entirely be ruled out as a coincidence where a trillion dollar industry that can not spend money overtly advertising (at least to many Western audiences) is involved.

Actually, the first time my class got a lecture about smoking was at 10. No sane teen or advlt has any reason to think smoking isn't dangerous. If someone doesn't have THAT understanding, they are either to too dumb or too young to be playing an M/18+ game in the first place. Since the game is meant to be marketed towards advlts, I wouldn't see the problem if cigarette companies WERE involved (though from a business standpoint I can't really see the benefit in encouraging unmarked packs of your project to be put in a game). I'm glad there's no overtly obvious product placements like all the Jeeps in Far Cry 2 (or the Bawls energy drinks from BOS, but let's forget that blight on Fallout's history).

Really, if we're going to worry about the game making a negative impression, let's talk about 'drugs make you stronger, faster, more intelligent, and a better speaker, (I never understood the +1 CHR for alcohol, wouldn't someone drunkenly slurring through a statement be less convincing) and if you get addicted you don't get in trouble or go to rehab, the doctor just makes it go away!'

Exploding Cigarettes. Cigarette, gun powder/cherry bombs. Hand them out to people and watch their face get blown off

M/18+? If I thought there was any risk of it, I might say, "Don't make me laugh." Game ratings are meaningless in most countries and non-existent in the rest. It's like saying that the mentally deficient are too dumb to be using the internet: google QEFD.

Look, If your inbred kids play this game and then for some reason start smoking, I DON'T CARE beyond the potential benefit the gene pool might reap. I'm not interested in censorship AT ALL. All I was saying was that when cigarettes are in involved at all in any kind of published media, we can't rule out the involvement of those with a vested interest. I find the cloak and dagger aspect of it interesting. Now, I'm sick of repeating myself. If you really want to hop on and continue posting, 'If you don't like it, don't play," go nuts. I'm out.

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ikr? lol

If you sell a game to one under the age req for 16+ games in Sweden they award you with a five by five room for six months and your employer get a hefty fine present.

Huh. Here it's illegal to sell only 18+ rated games or movies to minors. And one of my characters is smoking already

I got seats to Dark Knight because five sub-16's tried to get in. They where promptly booted and I got one. My neighbour got another.