Hello, all.

I have been reading through all of the posts that have been made the past week and long before that, even. It seems that more than 3/4 of the community are upset with the broken, untested FO:NV that was released a few weeks back. With all of the bugs, crashes and freezes, I feel that we, the customers, have been royally screwed. Me, personally? Well, maybe not royally. But add me with thousands of others, and you got a big problem. Fixing the bugs in this game with the next patch due to be released in the upcoming weeks will not simply redeem the mistakes Obsidian made. We, the customers, need to be compensated for paying 60 dollars for a broken game and then basically reporting to you all of the bugs for you to fix. Seems like you guys got the better end of the bargain on that one, eh?

I strongly and highly suggest that we be given a discount on the DLC to be released (and by we, I mean the customers who bought your game pre-patch-to-be-in-a-week-or-two) or just let us have it for free. Up to you, but it would be in your best interests if you want to stay competitive and create large revenues. Show the community that you are SORRY, and that you CARE.

Why in the world would they do that? They already got your money, they got my money.

The game has SO many bugs (a lot of them minor, some of them game destroying) that they'll never all be fixed and that will be a constant reminder that they cared more about getting the game out the door and getting our money than doing it right.

Fallout 3 was just as buggy and wasn't patched for months after initial release - the only thing they fixed was the CTD on exit (which NV also has) because Microsoft whined about it.

Didn't the extremely low quality of writing, bugs that were never patched, and DLC that added more bugs to Fallout 3 already make that clear?

do you really think they are going to give download content to you free?

youre going to have to pay full price to re-experience the events we have been subjected to these past few weeks in the bugfest they will surely release as an addon/expansion. you can look forward to spending more weeks on these boards if you partake in what will be another beta test that they make you pay for.

at this point i dont care if they patch this game. they got my money once, its not going to happen again.

fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, go [censored] yourself.

I was optimistic that another team might do better.

Better writing, way more bugs.

I don't know which I prefer, a stable, lifeless game or a better written one that is falling apart like a leper colony.

Neither you shouldn't have to pay for either of these.. Someone needs to start talking to the public and admit there wrongs its about the only thing that is going to save this game and the companies future reputation. I'm just an achievement grabber and even i cant do that with all these glitches>> HINT HINT HINT>>> someone please take it...

>>Coup De Grace<<

As good as that sounds at the end of the day they don't give a flying [censored] about the gamers all they want is for there wallets to get fatter, sadly that seems to be the trend lately.

If they don't give us something for putting up with bugs, this is the last Bethesda game I buy at launch.
I'm going to make sure I only buy a used copy so that they don't get any more money from me.

Fallout 3 wasn't at all this buggy. Not even close, bubba. I put in a good 80 hours or so into Fo3 too, and never saw as many bugs and crashes/freezes. Fallout 3 only crashed like maybe 1 time in my 80 hour tenure.

Or they've could have made a game that's only 8 hours long like almost every other game.

i think its obvious that they tried to save some money on the testing on the game,no way could some of these bugs of been missed,or maybe they ignored the testers so they could release the game on time...either way its not a good experience for us players

Fallout 3 for me had a bug straight away where people in Megaton was falling off the high structures and dying and therefore some quests couldn't be finished,but i kinda remember that getting fixed quite quickly

one bug i experienced on F3 was in The Pitt DLC where i fell through the roof of a building when trying to collect a steel ingot,the fix for that was delete the DLC and redownload it...and that was really all the problems i had with fallout 3

the DLC i only hope will be tested to hell and back before being released

I would rather have waited and extra 3 months or so over getting a unfinished and untested and very buggy/glitchy game.

Only one thing to say , they have made $2702702 per bug.

i dont think 3 was anywhere near a bad a nv is..

this is a good point but i doubt it will ever happen

like some of you said they already got our money why would they care.

if i had bought something from sony,dell,samsung any manufacturer and it was broken then i would get a refund why is it different with games?

well i have to get something out of this game so i'm trading it in for call of duty black ops!

this was a amazing game everything that a game should be but it seems greed got in the way

Agree, my playthrough of FO3 was pretty pleasant and only froze a couple times in my entire 100+ hour playthrough, NV on the other hand...

there's only one other game i can think of that disappointed me as much as F:NV, and that's hellgate london.

anyone remember that game? i was a HUGE fan of the diablo games (i bought D2 on release day and still play it occasionally now 10 years later), so when i found out a lot of the devs on that team started a company to make a new game, i was extremely excited and got it on release day as well. turned out it had a myriad of technical issues, and their playerbase dropped off steeply.

anyone care to take a guess what happened to the company that made that game? dead and gone. defunct. dissolved.

hopefully we'll get some sort of restitution here. it's not fair to have thousands to millions of people pay $60+ for software that doesn't work. you shouldn't be allowed to fund your product by releasing it while this broken and using that cash to pay for ongoing development.

Fallout NV is a complicated game without doubt. The changes are ground breaking for the gaming world but it came out with a fly in the honey. Fallout 3 was a master piece of gaming in my opinion. Looting the massive landscape had so many places to search one can easly go through the game a few times and discover a new place everytime. My big green shooting machine and trusted dog that game is legend for entertianment. This was awful the crashes freeze ups,bugs every place. I wondered if my Xbox 360 was going to survive the constant problems that caused my disk drive to make a odd noise now while loading games.. and I end up with red rings of death. So fallout NV is not being played at all. I cant afford a new gaming system.

It isnt easy to know one bought the game to watch it come apart lock up and distroy saves. Should the company put more into trial tests before market?
YES with out doubt it was a mistake on thier part to be pushed into release of a product early. The hype wasnt going any place soon we would have waited to get a master piece of gaming that worked. Meanwhile I am reading get the add on's to a game that wont work.
That made me mad as they come. I just placed 60 dollers plus tax on the table for a game that wont work and they are bolstering add on's?
Now that made me feel cheated.

I worry about if the fix patch will function and stop the problems experianced as my experiance with it just tearing apart my Xbox360 is not easy to just release.

My point exactly. I feel cheated and so should ALL of you. That's the whole point of my post.

i agree with you 100%. but what can we do? i did happen to spot another thread that suggested we call the Better Business Bureau. just one or two of us phoning, won't accomplish [censored]. but if we ALL phoned in our complaints, who knows what could happen? all i know is that Bethesda should not be allowed to get away with this, and if we were all to come together and do something about it, maybe we can put those mother [censored]ers in their proper place, and show them that the way they do business and treat their customers is a [censored] disgrace! we deserve better. we ALL deserve better. i am sure that money does not grow on tree's for most of us, and are entitled to buy a game that is virtually WITHOUT game ruining bugs and glitches. other companies do it, so why the [censored] can't Bethesda/Obsidian?

What there number then? ill phone them.

the only bug that affected me in FO3 was the colin moriarty disapearing bug

http://www.bbb.org/us/consumers/ click the "I want to box" then "file complaint".
According to http://www.dc.bbb.org/report.html?national=y&compid=3729 they already have a F rating with the BBB.

most of us i would have thought do feel cheated,i for one do,minor glitches one can deal with but this game can be a real bloody headache,still what can we do? refunds are out of the question due to shops presuming we all copy the game before returning it which is funny as one can still receive refunds when returning music cd's.why go through the headache of exchanging the game for another.might as well keep hold of it till the issues have been sorted,besides it looks like pc gamers are having way more problems than xbox users and that's good enough for me.