So you had the developer standing behind you with a loaded gun, forcing you to play or how did they force you to play????

Wow - that are some extreme measures Obsidian is taking in order to get people playing their game.

:celebration: :rolleyes: :ahhh:

LMAO. So you're happy with the current state of the release? They took my money and handed me a bag of crap. You obviously didn't understand my point. Perhaps I should spell it out for you. My point was, they could have easily waited and released the game when it was finished. Black Ops wasn't going to hinder the sales of this game. There are too many fans, hell this game isn't even in the same genre. So yes, they FORCED us to play the game with a laundry list of bugs, lousy frame rates, or not playable at all for many. Perhaps tricked would have been a better choice, but in any case this sort of business practice is unacceptable. I remember a time when games that couldn't make their release dates were pushed back a month or two in order to polish bugs/issues. Though I wasn't too happy about having to wait the extra time, at least I got a finished product on release day. Guess I'll just have to wait a month or two next time before I buy, to offset this business tactic. If I even buy the next one at all.

Then they better make damn sure that they release a patch that FIXES EVERYTHING PROPERLY THIS TIME..........

lol. You really don't even understand the basics of business.

The game sold $300 million in RETAIL sales. Bethesda didn't get all that money because they're not a retailer... The retailers make that money. But they don't keep it all because a lot of it ends up back at the the middlemen in the wholesale/distribution chain... Who keep a lot of the money before they send it on to Bethesda...

I actually knew the numbers at one time. Don't any more. But it was a pittance of the retail price, some where around $15 a unit with a 50% gross profit margin.

But like joefx69 has already said "Whoever wants to complain about ANYTHING in life, then they have the right to do so ANYWHERE. If YOU don't like it, that's Your problem.

And he's right, ANYWHERE meaning ANYWHERE even a forum with rules, nowhere is exempt from FREE SPEECH which includes complaining at a forum with rules!! DO you really think if the people who run this forum went to court to gag someone it would work, would it hell because the forum rules are NOT I repeat NOT legally binding!!

he might should have not used the word "force" but basicly hes right, the only fault he did was using the wrong words, which is on an international forum nothing that should surprise afterall.
It's nice for you that it doenst bother ya if you buy an unfinished product but people who arent commonly in love with failthesda sorry, I mean bethesda are actually get botherd by paying like 60€ (yes im from europa uhuhu) for a product which is supposed to be an entertaining product, it falls under the same line as a movie for example and then, after purchasing they cant use it properly cus the crashes and all the 9.000 other things that dont work just pisses them off, fails the meaning of the product, doenst it? Unlike of course you like to be hold for stupid and get enjoy if a product does everything its not suppose to do.
IF New Vegas would have had a big icon on it saying "THIS IS A BETA-PRODUKT AND WILL IN 80% OF ALL CASES NOT WORK PROPERLY AS SIMULAR GAMING PRODUCTS DO AND WILL NEED AT THE LEAST TWO MONTHS TO DO SO" or simular, then yes - deal. I know what I buy and what I get, but it hasnt. For PC's, yes its normal that a small frame of ppl encounter problems, always have been like this and always will be, but seriously such a high amount of users cant play properly and that even on consoles? just leavs me to say: epic epic epic fail.
There are how many other Game Producing companis out there who manage to actually sell there games on a stand of an actually "final product"? I really dont know, but from now on its -1, yes thats you bethesda.


You'r talking abouth marketing? What abouth customer care? Loyaltiy to the Publisher/Costumer works both way - publisher fuks costumer = customer fuks publisher. What happens to the quality of the trademark "Bethesda Softworks" stands for after releasing Fallout NV?
What abouth being "other" then the other companys?
Whoever is the sales-manager of FNV should get [censored] fired and while hes on it quit being that and work at a burger cook or simular...
so actually, yes they dont force you to buy FNV, they rather tricked you in doing so by missleading. Lets recall:
Fallout 1,2,3.. Oblivion.. alll very epic games.. with only very small flaws. So now I assume Fallout NV is the same, especially cus its based on an knowen engine which has been around since oblivion so the worst that should happen is that it has the same problems as Fallout3 right? well just take a look around...

does it confuse anybody why so many people illegaly download games if THIS is what they get? Hell there wastn even a Demo so you could have at least seen that your one of the ppl who wont be able to play properly and buy FNV after its "bugfree".. which in the current state of adwance will be somewhere in 2months on when its surely 10€ cheaper allready.

Well sort of- I mean under the authority of owners of the forum threads and posts can be deleted and users can be banned. They are free to do so with impunity regardless of whether or not a post or thread or user is in violation of the rules. I mean there has been at least one post on this very page that was deleted. So sure you can say whatever you want but if the mods and Bethesda don't feel like hosting what you've said for whatever reason they are within their rights as owners and operators of this board to delete it. Of course, they and most forum operators in similar positions tend to do so with moderation to prevent generating too much backlash.

You go into someone's home and start swearing and ranting in their living room and see what happens. Bethesda's forum rules apply here. Go rant on any other forum you want, Bethesda won't stop you. Here you follow the rules they set down.

If you want to discuss that, contact Gstaff or Nick, the Community Managers to complain.

In another thread I've posted about an http://www.zdnet.com/news/ec-wants-software-makers-held-liable-for-code/300769 regarding this matter that will put software in the same line as toasters would be in the article or in your example the well-done steak. It has its pro's, it has its con's but if this proposal would've been effective today, both Bethesda and Obsidian would have a serious problem now in the EU because they could've and would've held accountable for the mess they made with New Vegas.



Only until a certain height. You still have to account for local ruling/laws/whatever and if your forum rules goes against that, then you have a problem . . .

Sorry to bring the news to you, but this will never, ever happen. And that is not a comment against Bethesda/Obsidian, but a comment that there is no way they can test the patch to be compatible with millions of individual cofigurations.

Yes, very happy. Since the first hour of gameplay I have not experienced any CTDs or BSODs. I do, of course, experience the occasional glitch and am limited by the lever-action-reload bug, but nothing that in any way or form makes me think that this game is not up there with the best games I have played



They did



Exactly - and I am pretty sure that Black Ops had no influence on the release date of FONV, but that is just pure speculation from both of us.




So do I. I also remember release dates being pushed back, and then the release of a still buggy game.



I think this will be a wise thing for you to do, considering how upset you seem to get by these kind of issues.

I remember a time when a Hardware and Software Issues forum would actually solve or identify your problems.

i hope the final patch tweaks include the fix for the not working sniper rifle carbon fiber parts!
it was and is frustrating that i have wasted so much caps for nothing.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Sniper_Rifle_Carbon_Fiber_Parts

It could always be better, but I'm quite happy with what I got. I got a fun game experience for my money, not a bag of crap. :shrug: I've had very few issues with the game.

I know I know, "good for me" and all that, but I'm not bragging or poking. It's just the nature of the beast that bugs exist. Some get hit hard where others get off Scot free.

I'll hazard a guess the patch will be out this coming week. Just be patient and hopefully those with game breaking issues will get to play this very fun game.

22 november and we still don't received info/date about caompreshensive paych..... :cryvaultboy:

You go and sell a bag of dog feces in a nice packaging and try to pass it off as a delicious chocolate cake, and not expect the customers to come complaining at your house.
Cause that's exactly what my F:NV was/is, a turd in a nice CE box.

Last official word from the developers in that official update announcement thread is dating back to November 9, and last post from Gstaff as far as I know is from 4 days ago, stating they're "putting the final touches on the patch", and that "it shouldn't be too much longer".

They said they were putting the final touches on the patch only 4 days ago, have some patience.

Have you created a thread where you describe your crash problem and post your DXDIAG? I've seen your posts in a lot of the eventually-locked complaint threads but haven't seen any help requests with info. It may be that you have done everything you can do to try to fix the issue from your end, but if there's something you've missed a patch may not help. I'm not saying it should require as much tweaking and investigating to fix as it does but many people have been able to fix their stability issues with help on these forums. Many people haven't, but it's worth giving a shot.

I really appreciate your offer to help me out, but it doesn't require a genius to realize that the fault lies with the game and not my computer. This kind of behaviour of a developer and publisher towards their customers is unacceptible, releasing a fubar game and letting the community mostly solve their own problems through the official forums.

The attitude of programming junkies and bug testers these days is sloppy and that's sugarcoating it, I would even call it careless.
I have no direct reference to link this to, but I think it's because they can fall back to the old excuse "oh there are so many different hardware and software configurations, there's no way we can release a bug-free game". "We already worked so hard to make the deadline, now please be patient and wait another month while we work on the next patch that will fix one bug". Well guess what, we all work hard. I'm a student and are working my ass off to get my degree, hopefully next summer.
And Blizzard blows their excuse straight out of the water. It may not be completely fair to make the comparison with almighty Blizzard, but how buggy is WoW, world's most played game? Barely anyone ever complains about bugs on their forums. (now if only they could balance the classes for once!!)
"It's done when it's done", oh how I love that phrase.

Again, thanks again for offering help, but it's really up to the developers to straighten this out. My computer is fine.

The last word from someone official was Nov. 18 when Gstaff posted that they are continuing to work on the patch and that he is not sure when it will be released but assured us it will be. The post was followed by folks wanting an exact date. He can't give one as the patches must be finished and tested and then approved by MS and Sony and Steam prior to release. Asking when all that will be complete is like asking when little Billie Sue will learn to juggle. One doesn't give out a date and then have it wrong.

That said, this thread has evolved into ranting. It requests no details of bugs you want fixed. No request of assistance other than to ask for a patch that we know is in the works and thus only serves to aggregates us already agitated folks. I suggest if your game is broken, you take a breather, be a bit patient and await the patch that they are diligently working on.