Okay, first of all,Black Marsh doesn't "hate" the Empire. Second of all, Elsweyr joined the Dominion because the Thalmor tricked tem into thinking they were their saviors. That's why I said the other 7, excluding Valenwood and Elsweyr along with the Isles. But if convinced that they could beat the elves, Argonia would aid in the battle. And as for Hammerfell (I've said High Rock earlier, forgive me), if they could just put aside their differneces with Cyrodiil aside for a short while, they could work together and defeat the elves. I'm not saying Hammerfell and Argonia will rejoin the Empire, but they all know that the Dominion is a MUCH greater threat.

Maybe because the only reason hammerfell isn't dominion is because legion troops deserted with there general's blessing to fight the dominion after being ordered out

If the Thalmor are the threat then why are the storm cloaks fighting the empire

Edit:: oh wait! It's because ulfric wants to be high king

I'm not saying now. But maybe TESIV. Cause they need to kill him somehow during the events of Skyrim or shortly after, because the fact it happened for some means it will have to happen for all SOMEHOW. They will never make a players actions never happen, unless they do a warp in the North, which makes everything we did completly moot.

but u cant just put things aside.people hammerfell and black marsh will want something out of it. why help an empire that is on life support when hammefell repelled them by themselves and black marsh is focusing on keeping morrowind on lock.they will want something out of it. not false promises from a dying empire

Because they know how big of a threat the Dominion really is. Maybe a peace can be promised. Maybe the Empire can agrre not to try and reclaim the twon provinces if they help stop the Dominion. I'm pretty sure that's their bissest concern right now.

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You, sir, just won.

But climate aside, Hammerfell is more like Russia. They don't like Cyrodiil (America), but share an enemy, the Dominion, (the Axis).

I just want Bethesda to fix the Civil War quests so that I can find out where my siding with the Stormcloaks (as an Imperial) leads.

Your head on a pike?

i see where you are coming from but its a slim chance. all we can do is wait and see what happens. everything we are saying dont mean ish.bethesda lore writers get the final call. but i love debates like this

Same

Care to elaborate?

That is one of the main reasons I don't join them.

But it doesn't matter, the Empire is weakened from loosing forces as is Skyrim so they would be pretty equally matched against the AD. I think Skyrim has a better chance since its elite (IE Rich people) are located further from AD and would apose AD rule where as Legion Elite have been svckling on the [censored] of the AD for too long which will created many interal opposition to fighting the AD politically which can take time to resolve time the AD will use to crush the empire. Ether way the war movement is going to have to come from Skyrim so the Stormcloaks are the better option.

In my opinion i believe skyrim could defend itself against the dominion (natural borders, nords are great sailors, nords are great warriors, etc) defend not defeat. So if the stormcloaks win then my guess is skyrim and a few other provinces would hold out, cyrodiil would fall to the dominion (they would be weakened from the civil war defeat, and the dominion is much closer to them) and eventually either skyrim would be conquered by the dominion, and the dominion would collapse in on itself after a while leading to a period of chaos, or skyrim would hold out until the dominion collapsed, and we would likely have a period of chaos as well due to dispute over power. Now if the empire stood strong together they would have a much better chance of winning and they could conquer most of tamriel and have an era of prosperity. Or of course they could lose and the dominion would take over and eventually collapse on itself.

Note: i believe the dominion will fall because they don't treat their citizens equally and have an oppressive rule, while the empire is a much more fair government.

The problem with that is the current Empire isn't the one Tiber Septim created.

Your friend is wise in thinking that Skyrim by itself led by Ulfric won't make it very far. It will only be good for a while, then it will all fall to hell.

The provinces are like strands in a twisted rope, while the Dominion are a pair of scissors. Together the rope has a much better chance of not being cut by the scissors, but if untwisted and individually cut, they don't stand a chance.

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Then why doesn't the Dominion want the Stormcloaks to win the war and the province to secede? Divide and Conquer isn't their strategy, it's more like distract and disintegrate. Regardless, Skyrim would be extremely hard for the Aldmeri Dominion to conquer. If they launched a naval invasion from the north their fleet would not fare very well in the treacherous Sea of Ghosts, and to get there they would have to sail past Hammerfell. The other way into Skyrim by water is the White River, which would be a death trap. The Rift is protected by the Jeralls, and Markarth is also very mountainous. The only viable way into Skyrim is through Falkreath, and if the Dominion was invading Skyrim, I doubt Cyrodiil would stand idly by (then again, you never know with the Imperials nowadays.)

They won't have anymore success than they did with hammerfell.

It doesn't matter which side wins. Elves do not reproduce as quickly as men. And most of the playerbase consider the Thalmor an enemy, so we can safely say that the Dovahkiin will fight them. They have already lost.

I have not met a Thalmor (save those few in Understone Keep), that I haven't Sheild-bashed to death. So yes, I consider the Thalmor to be an enemy.

Exactly. Once the surprise of the Blitz on the Imperial City wore off, and they lost their momementum (Along with most of their armies), the Aldmeri Dominion puffed up it's chest and bluffed, again offering the White Gold Concordant to the Empire. The weak willed fop, Emperor Titus Mede II, accepted it. Hammerfell however, saw through the bluff, and called it. The Empire renounced Hammerfell as a province then. Then, Hammerfell proceeded to single handedly beat the Thalmor out of Hammerfell, proving that the Aldmeri Dominion were bluffing about their power. Now, Hammerfell hates the Empire for abandoning them. Which the Mede Empire has a long history of doing. The Empire was only able to retake the Imperial City with the help of the Nords (Skyrim is traditionaly known as the "Strong Arm of the Empire"), then they proceeded to spit in the Nord's face with the White Gold Concordant.

The dossier never said they don't want Skyrim to succeed. They pretty much do want all of the provinces on their own, and it's not that they specifically want the Stormcloaks to lose, they want the war to keep going indefinitely. With the humans being stupid and killing each other it's just making things much much easier on the Thalmor.

Since when have the Stormcloaks identified themselves as part of the Empire since the death of Torygg? The Thalmor can't justify war against the Empire because a group not tied to the Empire attacks them. That'd be like blaming the College of Winterhold because the Dark Brotherhood killed a character's spouse. If the Stormcloaks don't consider themselves a part of the Empire, then the Empire wouldn't be committing an act of war against the Thalmor should the Stormcloaks attack them. If the Empire were to help the Thalmor after the Stormcloaks "stormed the beach of Alinor", then I'd reluctantly switch sides.