Did the creators intend dragons to be nuisancespests in the

Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:58 am

Did the creators intend dragons to be nuisances/pests in the skyrim world?

I am currently a level 35 (PC) and getting to the point that every time a dragon sweeps by I’m like (dammit, one of these again) And I dont even break a sweat anymore as a few arrows, and bit of hack and slash brings it down... Depending my inventory they can be a real pain, as I have to run home and clean up my inventory.

I am even thinking of using the harder dragons mod on Skyrim Nexus...

Do you see dragons as just a minor nuisance of a major threat to the people of Skyrim?
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Mason Nevitt
 
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:44 pm

they a nuisance to me but a huge threat to the people of Tamriel (why they not have anythign better than iron dagger .-.)
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Jessica Colville
 
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:27 pm

Dragons are fairly lame and predictable which is a shame as its a game based on them. The only time iv had any trouble or fun fighting them is with new low level characters.
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BRIANNA
 
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:14 pm

They are supposed to be a nuisance! They are evil and want to take over the world!!

Seriously, I wish once you finish the MQ, they would be gone...
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emma sweeney
 
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:54 am

i think they were supposed to be epic and random boss encounters. unfortunately they all do the same things.
fly around, land in random areas, breathe fire or ice. take off and fly around again.
i think one of the biggest issues is the lack of area damage and how dragons do very little swooping down.
dragons are either a joke, or over powered depending on the level and gear of your character. its never memorable or challenging fight.

i think dragons should be bigger, do more attacks while moving (without the perfect aim they seem to have) if i hit the wings enough the dragon should fall, any guards or bandits should GTFO in fear or try to kill the dragon. wildlife should run in fear as well.
dragons on he ground should be able to knock you down with wind blowing you, swipe with tails and other stuffs.
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Zoe Ratcliffe
 
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:22 am

they still feel scripted to do stuff even tho bethesda said that dragons wouldnt have any scripting to guide them
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:14 am

They are supposed to be a nuisance! They are evil and want to take over the world!!

Seriously, I wish once you finish the MQ, they would be gone...

.. They don't disappear?

Oh god what I have done.
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Tom
 
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:48 pm

They are not all big badass bosses and were never intended to be. So a maxed out deadric weapon or blades sword will do a fair amount of damage to them. Also, you can be wearing armor that is way too good.

People always say the game is more fun when it's harder and at lower levels. Well, when you are at higher levels you can make the game exactly the way it used to be at lower levels... Just use worse armor and worse weapons. I guarantee you won't be walking right up to any ancient dragons and walking away victorious without breaking a sweat and using some strategy.

I have the option to use the best of the best armor and weapons but I choose not to. As a major badass I believe it just shows how much more powerful I am to use an iron sword to kill an ancient dragon.

Try killing a dragon using no arrows, no magic, and a dagger. That's pretty hard. Try killing a dragon using only conjuration. That can be pretty tough. Try killing a dragon using nothing but a hunters bow and iron arrows. You'll be there for a while (grab a snickers).

If you are annoyed by dragons then play a different game.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:56 am

Ancient dragons aren't a picnic. Once you get up to a high enough level that's the only kind of dragon you encounter; and they're tough.

Calling them predictable isn't really fair because you can say the same thing about any enemy in the game. All trolls do is roar and slash at you. All bandit bosses do is swing their weapon at you, etc.

But dragons can kill you by breathing at you, chomping you to death, or by picking you up and then dropping you from a great height. They can also attack you with their tail when you're standing behind them. If anything, dragon attacks are by far the most varied in the game.

If they're too easy then up the difficulty level. I've only ever had a character last to level 61 and ancient dragons were still a brutal fight. Maybe by 81 they aren't anymore.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:03 am

They are annoying. Particularly when they fly around "shouting" but don't attack my character. I often feel an obligation to kill them before they kill a bunch of unarmed villagers or some dopey guards that just walk right up to their mouths to get bitten. But lots of times they just seem to avoid my characters.

My current character doesn't want to have anything to do with Dragons, so he just avoids Dragons reach. He's level 21 no and the only dragon he's seen is the one in the intro. It's a nice change.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:25 am


Seriously, I wish once you finish the MQ, they would be gone...

Or, at least is signals the Beginning of the End of the Dragon Menace and once a certain number of them are taken care of, we have no more spawns. Whether this is the 60 you need for all the Shouts, or just the location specific and named ones that are left is another discussion.
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:50 pm



Calling them predictable isn't really fair because you can say the same thing about any enemy in the game. All trolls do is roar and slash at you. All bandit bosses do is swing their weapon at you, etc.

But dragons can kill you by breathing at you, chomping you to death, or by picking you up and then dropping you from a great height. They can also attack you with their tail when you're standing behind them. If anything, dragon attacks are by far the most varied in the game.



I agree - I've never understood this 'they always behave the same and are predictable' criticism. What are they supposed to do? Suddenly start wielding a minigun? transform into a tank? They're dragons so they do dragon stuff. Like you point out, they have different attacks.

The flaw is the game design involves regular encounters which means they can't be too difficult or else everyone would complain about that. The dragon souls/shouts thing was a very good idea and if they were going to have dragons, people would moan if they hardly ever saw them. But in true bethesda style, they went too far and made the game spam them if you e.g. fast travel a lot. IMO they should be rarer and tougher, but then everyone would complain they couldn't get enough souls. It's not that easy to balance them so everyone's happy.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:07 am

When it comes to gaming, dragons are a tough enemy to nail down.

If they never landed on the ground they would be nearly impossible to kill for non-ranged characters. If they used all shouts avialble to the dragon born they would nearly always win against low level characters.
If they were really difficult to kill they would be even more a nuisance since they occur so frequently in game. However if you reduced the number of dragon encounters in game it would take far to long to learn all the dragon shouts you are wanting your character to unlock.

All in all I think Bethesda did an ok job on the dragons. I have my opinions on what would make them better but there would be many here that would disagree with my suggestions. So in the end no one is going to be happy so Bethesda tried to find the middle ground that would appease the most people and create the fewest problems.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:25 am

I always consider these "Why is everything so easy" threads to be just bragging. I just retired a level 45 Nord warrior with maxed heavy armor, block, smithing and a high one-handed, and dragons still were no picnic. An Ancient dragon's breath could take out half my health in one shot, even though I probably put over 1/3 of my levels into health. I'm not playing on Master either; Adept for that first character.
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:09 pm

Totally agree there a nuance! one dragon encounter I had the dam thing wouldn't land at all and followed me around for ages it landed about once every 5 mins. evenly i went though one of those passes and seemed to vanish on outer side. Was no way could kill it and prevented me from fast travelling was about 20 minutes of this fooling around.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:50 am

the dragon in this game are seriously underpowered. Dragons are supposed to be terryfing and powerful monster and should be a challange no matter the level of the player.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:12 am

A significant number are needed, of course, to unlock your shouts. Not to mention if you want two pair of full dragon scalre/plate gear later on. Many times I couldn't afford to carry the heavy dragon bones and left them behind. No other source in the game that I;m aware of.

Yes, ancient dragons can be tough. First PC was a mage, not enough magic resist it seemed, got totally froached with one ancient dragon's fire breath. It was a little funny watching my health bar deplete that rapidly! Took me 1/2 hour to kill the bugger but then realized Frost had been killed so I re-set and fought him again....three more times since Frost kept getting killed. Dropped the difficulty off Expert, fought him again, and saved the horse. :)
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:26 pm

I have to agree that the real difficulty of dragon battles is the "Now where the hell am I supposed to keep these dragon bones" when it's all said and done.

It sounds like you (OP) are already trying to amp up the difficulty, but I'd definitely suggest moving the difficulty all the way up when a dragon attacks. They should have made the attacks fewer and more menacing (two dragons attacking strategically would be hellish), and at least made the elder dragons behave differently.

By no means do I find them boring though, it's just that they often attack when I'm not really in the mood for a fight. On the other hand, quite a few attacks have been timed to perfectly that I loved every second of it (coming out of a dungeon licking my wounds when....aw hell no!). I still think they're savagely beautiful creatures and seeing them burn up and turn to bones is still as epic as ever to my eyes, it's just the battle part that becomes too predictable when they're not attacking in towns/villages/cities.

++Addition++

When people complain of them being predictable, I think what they mean is that they all use the same attack strategy. While this is true of all creatures, it would be nice if the stronger ones were more intelligent and cunning in battle, or failing that they should just swoop down more and maybe have a few extra attacks (swooping down while trying to bite you in half would be incredibly dangerous). That's what I mean, anyway.
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:38 pm

Install the Deadly Dragons Mod, or play on Master (or atleast against Dragons).
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:05 pm

Install the Deadly Dragons Mod, or play on Master (or atleast against Dragons).

This^.

Does anyone who plays on Master think Ancient dragons are easy? I'm on Xbox so I can't put in the mod, but if I was on PC and thought dragons were such a walk in the park, I'd install it. I have to wonder about people who complain that the game is too easy but are only playing on adept difficulty. OR (big "or") if they've short-cutted their way to a dagger that can cause 400+ damage in one shot and are now upset that the game isn't challenging.

"I installed a mod that allows me to shoot 4 megaton nuclear blasts at my opponents. This game svcks because it's too easy!"
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:23 pm

Install the Deadly Dragons Mod, or play on Master (or atleast against Dragons).

Beat me to it. With the DD mod, Dragons are DEFINATELY more interesting and more challenging to fight, especially if you put the mod on hardcoe, and have the game set to Master.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:47 am

They are the Cliff Racers of Skyrim.
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Sarah Knight
 
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:07 am

Difficulty depends on the character. My warrior stands up to them very well but he's an epic'd out badass so he should be able to do that. My Thief/Assassin is nasty with archery and uses those ranged attacks very well but he has to do it from cover because the higher end dragons will kill him with their breath or biting attacks. My mage probably has the hardest time because he has very low health and can't stand up to the dragon breath and a single bite will kill him instantly.

As for predictability I have no idea what you mean. I never know quite what the dragons are going to do and that's one of the things Iike so much about them. They fly in random patterns, land or don't land, fight me or ignore me, attack other creatures or people, or fly away never to be seen again. I can't imagine them being more random to be honest. I'm not sure what you are looking for but miracles aren't going to happen in gaming any time soon. AI is limited and here they did a pretty damn good job with the dragons.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:32 am

I always consider these "Why is everything so easy" threads to be just bragging. I just retired a level 45 Nord warrior with maxed heavy armor, block, smithing and a high one-handed, and dragons still were no picnic. An Ancient dragon's breath could take out half my health in one shot, even though I probably put over 1/3 of my levels into health. I'm not playing on Master either; Adept for that first character.

Because many people take advantage of the ability to become UBER and the moan when nothing is hard enough. Maximize smithing and enchanting and you can make a character with such high defense that he/she can go through a battle with an ancient dragon without a scratch.

I prefer to use the same equipment as the Dovahkiin posterboy -- that is steel Skyforge sword, Banded iron shield, Studded armor (Or scale, forgot which, but they look the same) and iron boots and gauntlets. On top of that, the OP could refuse to perk the hell out of his skills to where each shot with a bow deals 200 damage
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:21 am

they still feel scripted to do stuff even tho bethesda said that dragons wouldnt have any scripting to guide them

That might be true, because i remember times that, for example i'm at winter run, i save, fast travel to a location in west for quest, get on my horse and afer a minute i got attacked by dragon, but while fighting something bad hapens (Mostly lydia or my horse dies [yeah, my horse thinks he is a [censored] warior], or i couldnt get the soul etc.) so i have to load back, and when i fast travel again and go the same direction again, and the exact same place the exact same dragon attacks again O.O And this hapens almost all the time.
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