Did not, and will not, kill Paarthurnax. I like his explanation. More to the point, I strongly resent the Blades attempting to dictate to the Dragonborn what I will and will not do. To my mind, if they mutiny to this extent, I don't need them. They can sit in their hole and wait for another dragonborn to come along.

I got my 1st blade sword in Delphine's basemant in Riverwood, then the blades armor (which is now just sitting on a mannequin) when we first entered Sky Temple. As soon as I realized where they were heading, I went and brought them 3 followers whose presence has annoyed me more than anyone: Iona, Lydia, Mjoll. I dropped them off one after the other, then went and asked them to follow me, took their blades sword and any other gear they had (not gonna leave armed idiots behind me). Now I have 4 blades swords. Unfollowed them all and left them there.

I hadn't plan on going back. I talked to Paarthurnax, talked to Arngeir and told him I wasn't planning on killing him.

Now I *may* go back just to blow them off the mountain side until they get stuck. That sounds like a nice alternative, since I'm not given the option of "Go Kill the Dumb So-Called Blades". It would be nice if in a future DLC we get a better chance to resolve this matter than the one we're given now. As far as I'm concerned they have no business attempting to dictate to me in such a manner without having to face the consequences in a more explicit manner. At the very least, *they* should leave Sky Temple and go wander da earth. Removing themselves from my presence makes a lot more sense than kicking out the one they're sworn to.

Here's what I did, I visited both paarthumax and greybeards to tell them that I wasn't going to kill paarthumax. Travel to sky haven temple. Open up console to set both delphine and esbern to not essential. pulled my mace and cut their heads off.

What's funny is how people are so gung ho about paarth and the greybeards, but act just as "barbaric" as the blades themselves. Which isn't a bad thing, but you're so inconsistent about who you really side with. You can't even live up to your own character concepts.

I'm gonna try to stab Delphine and Esbern in the back this playthrough, once I managed to get there

Seriously, they try to dictate their leader! The nerve! Their ancestors left Akavir just so they can kiss a Cyrodiil's feet, and now they try to take over the leader role?

I say, to Oblivion with virgin grandma and grandpa!

It's not like there was any dragon besides Paarthurnax that had saved ANY life :herp:

Not sure what you mean. Can you rephrase it?


All I mean is that supporting the Greybeards and Paarth is a step towards following the Way of the Voice. I'd like to meet people who do this because they actually roleplay mercy and sympathy and being "anti-genocidal" and actually believe he can even bring peace with other dragons. Instead, all I keep seeing are people who sound like the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland. You're merely pissed off because you're not being served. "I'm the dovahkiin, beotch!!!" It's even more base than what the Blades ask of you. And it's laughable as far the Greybeards go, who teach to use the Voice only in true need. Here, you just want to Fus Ro Dah everything. You're kind of like the same poor examples of Greybeard students as Ulfric Stormcloak is.

I hope you all get the mods to kill Delphine, and then bug your games. Better yet, I suggest you not keep a failsafe save file and just keep only the modded game. This way we can be sure you'll get bugged and never recover from it.

I am almost sure that the story will develop to a point where you can enter conflict with the Blades.. and it might even be fun killing Delphine that way.. but people who throw childish fits and want to be impatient about it should be bugged.

I did the same thing, less using Unrelenting Force on Delphine, but we were inside so it's not as funn as knocking them off the top of a mountain. I'll try it the next time I'm bored though.

Ah.... now I see, someone who advocates peace but tries to doom anyone else who doesn't see it his way. A troll, in short.
You like killing Paarthurnax.
You just have to say it that way, no need to try to disguise yourself as a... ah... "consistent" person, who can "keep the character concept"

Let's just say if your servants start to boss you around, you no longer deserves to be a Dovahkiin. Better start to learn how to sweep the floor! Lest the Blades kick you out because you're not doing what they ask!

Milk-drinkers... pfft.

Yeah, i feel you. I kind of wished that once it got to that point, you could out and out refuse the mission, or even better, have an option to tell them know and an option to tell them that you won't do it and will kill anyone who trys, then fight the blades to the death. I have a feeling Delphine would be a wicked wimp and go down quick, or at least that's the way it should be in my mind. They should both be hard to defeat, but Esbern should be wicked hard with some crazy enchanted weapon and armor he equipts. gamesas doesn't agree however, because I downed Esbern with one hit, Delfine took 3 or 4. Lame.

I'm hardly disguising myself. Where did that come from? I play different characters. I've said many times around here that I roleplay some jerkwads. I'm just consistent about it.

Not lame, bud. I will make a new character soon that is basically the same way as far as a dragonslayer type rather than just purly "Dragonborn for Peace in the Universe" type a guy. Then i'm off to my typical "Guy Who Does Anything for a Buck" build. I love that guy.

Fair enough. I really would recommend against these mods though. This story doesn't seem fully told. If you side with the Beards, I can see Delphine trying to manage without you and showing up again. It'd probably provide a more rewarding encounter, at the very least.

They have everything in place to carry over choices. The game in general keeps tracks of your quest choices and stuff like that. They just haven't utilized it well. They can take these options and build DLC from it.

This goes without mentioning how untold Paarth's story is so far too.

I didn't kill Paarthunax and probably won't. I just don't think it's the right thing to do... I'm guessing unlike alot of other's I just turned around and walked away. They ain't worth my time... and speaking of time, They are both OLD, My Dragonborn is young, I'm not giving them followers to follow their tradition. I'll wait til they kick the bucket and build up the Blades in a different way. The Temple will be ours then. AT least that's the way I'm rollplaying it.

My charachter is a little on the older side, mid to late 30's, so Delphine isn't much older than me, but Esbern is feaking ancient and should drop off the side of Throat of the World. Delphine should just hurry up and die from some horrible disease, cause she seems to be a bit of a stuck up *word that also means female dog*.

I did not and will not. What the Blades claim as "justice" is simply revenge, and if they want it done, they can do it themselves. I've chosen to show mercy instead- which is a damn rare thing for me.

And all that talk of being "highly trained Dragonslayers"... they never even saw a dragon until I showed up. Without me, they're just two old paranoids hiding alone in a dark drafty temple. I'd sic the Thalmor on them if I could.

I've alway's been a bad judge of female age ( and yes I am female ) but I kinda took Delphines age to be 50's or later. Either that or she had a very very hard life. I guess being bitter put's more lines on the face.

She'd have to be that old. She fought in the Great War against the dominion, and that was thirty years before the game started.

She's 55, as stated in the Thalmor dossier.

Well then my plan will work. To bad I'm not on pc, I know their would be a way to delete them out and make the temple my home ground, with followers. But the x-box doesn't work that way.

Or just make them non essential, kill them, and drag their limp bodies to the kitchen table.

My little theory is that she might be a lot like the character she played in the Bourne movies. Jason Bourne was kind of a superpowered badass like the dovahkiin, and avoided the group that wanted to make use of him the most. I think Delphine is similar to her character there (same actress), where she leads that group in that movie too. Bourne could kill her at any time he wants, but they sort of draw it out. He has no reason to side with them, and no reason to go ballistic yet. I suspect that's how the writers would draw this out too (assuming you sided with Paarthurnax).

If you've never seen the movies, sorry if that didn't make any sense.

On my second run-through I decided to kill Paarthurnax. But he didn't fight back. So I stopped. There's only a couple of Blades missions anyway and it's not like they have the best weapons and armor in the game. Now, if it opened up an entirely new Quest line like the DB or Thieves Guild, it'd be more tempting to off the old guy; but there isn't so the Blades can get bent.

As far as quests go, all you get is the cessation of dragon attacks, and on the blades side, a continuation of them. There isn't a big storyline there, other than an underlying point about peace vs war or something. That you actually wish peace with dragons. Or that you want to annihilate all of them.

I'm glad I started this post, now I know for sure I don't want to kill him cuz I have this wierd thing with collecting dragon bones and scales. I've got tons. Can't get more if the dragons stop attacking me.

lol, you could either side with with Paarth and not have to deal with collecting them, or side with Blades and Esbern buys them from you.

Hmmmmm. That is intiguing. I may do like one of the other guys did and kill him after I get all the words of power. Sitll feels like a bad thing to do though, especially for this charcter, he has grown so much from where he started. Maybe next build.