[BlackaneseB]

As for the new series, well, although RTD started it well enough in 2005, I got sick of the recurring plots, as well as the fact that I can't stand David Tennant at all. Like how at the end of every dalek episode, they would be UTTERLY UTTERLY DEFEATED! Only to reappear next season due to one that slipped below the radar, resurrects the entire race, is UTTERLY UTTERLY DEFEATED again and the cycle continued. That got ridiculous after the fourth time.

I think what people forget (and what the writers seem to be forgetting too, seeing as though we've only seen the same "line" of Daleks throughout the new series) is that the Daleks are a huge race, and that they're scattered across time in so many places. There should still be many groups of Daleks from before (if you can use that word in a time travel show such as this) they were in the Time War and destroyed by the Doctor. At one point in the Doctor's life he destroyed them, but the Daleks are still in his past, right? They were never completely destroyed as a race because they existed, which should be the case of any race that has the ability to time travel. So they should be existing in many more areas of time, too.

Am I making any sense at all?

[Devils Cheek]

Given how many nooks and crannies the Daleks have found to hide in I'd love to see some Time Lords come back. Perhaps a group that fled and went in to hiding, or were extreme pacifists.

They did come back in the Episodes in 2009, they kinda came back from some time locked thing, essentially they couldn't leave their city. They appear, in teh corner of a room, make grand statements and proclamations, then the doctor defeats them with a revolver. They disappear back and everything is normal again. Kinda stupid liek the dalek ones really.

I think what people forget (and what the writers seem to be forgetting too, seeing as though we've only seen the same "line" of Daleks throughout the new series) is that the Daleks are a huge race, and that they're scattered across time in so many places. There should still be many groups of Daleks from before (if you can use that word in a time travel show such as this) they were in the Time War and destroyed by the Doctor. At one point in the Doctor's life he destroyed them, but the Daleks are still in his past, right? They were never completely destroyed as a race because they existed, which should be the case of any race that has the ability to time travel. So they should be existing in many more areas of time, too.

Am I making any sense at all?

The time war supposedly erased many species from all existence, only filtering through as rumors and legends.

[Britney Lopez]

The time war supposedly erased many species from all existence, only filtering through as rumors and legends.

Then shouldn't the Doctor be a different person? How does he still remember them? Damn paradoxes...

[Kelvin Diaz]

Then shouldn't the Doctor be a different person? How does he still remember them? Damn paradoxes...

It is reckoned that he went mad from the result and was forced to regenerate to save himself. That or he claims benefit of deity.

[Britta Gronkowski]

I don't think the time lock creates a paradox, rather it's created an alternate time line of sorts. The Doctor's own personal time line (which is, for the most part, linear) starts in the old time line and after the war is in this new one.


For example, in the original series the Doctor is traveling with his granddaughter. After thwarting a Dalek invasion of Earth in the 22nd century she decided to stay behind. If the 2nd-8th Doctor had wanted to he could have traveled to Earth in the 22nd century some time after those events and visited his granddaughter. However if the Ninth, Tenth, or Eleventh Doctor traveled to Earth in the 22nd century he'd never encounter a Dalek Invasion, the First Doctor would never stop by, and his granddaughter Susan would never get off. These events no longer occur int the 22nd century, however they still occurred in the Doctor's past, but they're not in a different time line - one he is "locked" out of.

[Tyler F]

That doesn't explain how Sarah Jane is able to meet with him in his newer bodies though. Nor how the fifth Doctor was able to meet the 10th.

[victoria johnstone]

That doesn't explain how Sarah Jane is able to meet with him in his newer bodies though. Nor how the fifth Doctor was able to meet the 10th.

Because it's all tosh written by script writers for TV? This is not a flame, but for heavens sake, back in the 60's and 70's there was no such thing as the internet or fan lore except for a few shunned souls who attended conventions. Dr Who was for kids and advlts to enjoy at the same time (usually by ogling the assistants). Perspective man!

[Claire Lynham]

Because it's all tosh written by script writers for TV? This is not a flame, but for heavens sake, back in the 60's and 70's there was no such thing as the internet or fan lore except for a few shunned souls who attended conventions. Dr Who was for kids and advlts to enjoy at the same time (usually by ogling the assistants). Perspective man!

Sshhhhh! You'll give the game away, that's the point of 90% of all Sci Fi!


Besides, I'm only trying to reconcile later stuff with earlier stuff that was made with no reference or understanding that there would be later stuff. The courts do it all the time.

[Lillian Cawfield]

Sshhhhh! You'll give the game away, that's the point of 90% of all Sci Fi!


Besides, I'm only trying to reconcile later stuff with earlier stuff that was made with no reference or understanding that there would be later stuff. The courts do it all the time.

Don't even try.
Instead look at the gorgeous frocks worn by Jon Pertwee and forget everything.

[Dona BlackHeart]

Don't even try.
Instead look at the gorgeous frocks worn by Jon Pertwee and forget everything.

You're right, this distracts us from important questions, like at what age does it become creepy to fancy Susan?

[Adriana Lenzo]

You're right, this distracts us from important questions, like at what age does it become creepy to fancy Susan?

Hmm, by the time she left I had stopped watching, but I did tune in for that episode. And can remember having tears in my eyes. :laugh:

Oh and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WUdlaLWSVM

[liz barnes]

That doesn't explain how Sarah Jane is able to meet with him in his newer bodies though. Nor how the fifth Doctor was able to meet the 10th.

Except it's not an alternate time line that breaks off at one point, the Time War was spread across a broad swath of the time line.

Its probably a matter of interest that the BBC has put quite a few of the http://www.youtube.com/show?p=Ps0e32nFzs0&feature=fvsp, Including The Caves of Androzani, featuring Peri in all her ample-briasted glory.

Ooo, the first two episodes of the E-space triology, nothing like the Doctor fighting vampires.

Actually it's the Turlough episode that really has my attention, he was by far the best part of the Fifth Doctor's run. I've heard that the latest companion may be a bit Turlough-esq and I hope that pans out. Now that the new series has firmly established itself I'd like to see some more variation with the companions. We've yet to have one than one major companion at the time (additional companions only stay on for a few episodes here and there). Given how young both Matt Smith and Karen Gillan are I'd really like to see an older companion stay for a while, I think that would add some great dynamic.

[OTTO]

Why make Captain Jack Strait? (Isn't he Bi in the show anyway?) Him and Rob halford are some of the coolest gay dudes ever!!!! I guess its cause over here in America there is less tolerance for Gays. Correct me if i am wrong but gays seem to be more open and accepted in the UK. I have never had a problem wit gay people as long as they dont make a move on me, lol.One of my Favorite Who episodes has to be The Library!!!! I can't believe some people didn't like TheMaster in this one, he is easily my favorite of The Doctors enemies.

[Elizabeth Davis]

Why make Captain Jack Strait? (Isn't he Bi in the show anyway?) Him and Rob halford are some of the coolest gay dudes ever!!!! I guess its cause over here in America there is less tolerance for Gays. Correct me if i am wrong but gays seem to be more open and accepted in the UK. I have never had a problem wit gay people as long as they dont make a move on me, lol.One of my Favorite Who episodes has to be The Library!!!! I can't believe some people didn't like TheMaster in this one, he is easily my favorite of The Doctors enemies.

John Simm's portrayal just didn't feel like it had any connection to past portrayals. While it's certainly true that a Time Lord's personality can change considerably between regenerations there are certain elements that seem pretty consistent and John Simm's Master seemed jarringly different from previous regenerations. It probably didn't help that I found the two episodes he was in rather poorly constructed, but so much of that was Simm's portrayal (the floating super-Doctor at the end didn't help matters ).

As for Jack, he is bi: during his Doctor Who appearances he pulls his suave act for men and women and in Torchwood he mentions at least one serious relationship with a woman (and I think two or three). However from what I've seen of Torchwood so far we tend to hear about past romantic relationships with women and see romantic relationships with men. If people are concerned that Jack is going to gravitate more towards women I think they're worrying about nothing - even if that did happen (and it's hardly out of character) the show is still produced by Russell T Davies and issues of sixuality have been at the forefront of much of his work.

[Joanne]

Yep i like Dr Who with
Jon Pertwee as my favourite Dr
Jo Grant as my favourite assistant
The Daleks as my favourite baddies

[Paula Ramos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyj0cewlong&feature=PlayList&p=F1AB7697BCF16CCB&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1.

[neen]

Hmm, by the time she left I had stopped watching, but I did tune in for that episode. And can remember having tears in my eyes. :laugh:

I wouldn't have thought you were born when that epidode aired... in 1964?

There was that Doctor Who fan who died, he was buried in a Tardis shaped coffin, and his eulogy was the Doctor's lines from that episode. "Some day, I shall come back. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine"

He did reunite with her eventually in The Five Doctors, she was in her late thirties I guess.

John Simm's portrayal just didn't feel like it had any connection to past portrayals. While it's certainly true that a Time Lord's personality can change considerably between regenerations there are certain elements that seem pretty consistent and John Simm's Master seemed jarringly different from previous regenerations. It probably didn't help that I found the two episodes he was in rather poorly constructed, but so much of that was Simm's portrayal (the floating super-Doctor at the end didn't help matters ).

I know, I really like Simm as an actor, but he was a bad choice for the Master.

I agree about having extra companions, I think it would have been good to have WIlf (Donna's grandfather) along for more stories, his was a very good character. I think they want to keep the six appeal up though, so unfortunately, no old people and nobody from any time period outside of 2005-2010 are going to be around for very long. Although with Moffat, who knows, he's already distanced himself from RTD's work...

[RAww DInsaww]

I agree about having extra companions, I think it would have been good to have WIlf (Donna's grandfather) along for more stories, his was a very good character. I think they want to keep the six appeal up though, so unfortunately, no old people and nobody from any time period outside of 2005-2010 are going to be around for very long. Although with Moffat, who knows, he's already distanced himself from RTD's work...

Yeah, I think there are certain traits that need to be found in the Doctors companions. If he has only one then they need them all but if he has multiple companions these traits can be spread around.

Female, to balance the fact that the Doctor is male
Human, to give the audience someone to relate too
Contemporary, again to give the audience someone to relate too

The only exception that there's ever been to the gender one is the The End of Time Christmas Special, so a single episode. But this makes sense, without a female companion there wouldn't be much female presence in the show. As for human, I believe the only time the Doctor hasn't had a human, or effectively human, companion was when he traveled with Romana. However at this point the show had been running for fifteen years so I think so it's understandable that they'd try something new.

The series has always had a contemporary human companion since Tegan showed up at the end of the Fourth Doctor's run, excepting some of the Tenth Doctors Christmas Specials again. Funny enough before this it was quite common for the Doctor to have no contemporary humans: the middle of the first Doctor's run, most of the Second Doctor's run, and most of the Fourth Doctor's run (even if you exclude the time he was just traveling with Romana). However these were also times when the Doctor was generally staying away from contemporary Earth; whenever he visits our time frequently he has human companions from our time, which does make sense. I also don't see this changing any time soon.


Of course with multiple companions they can easily go beyond this. I think the only immutable rule is that all companions must be relatively fit - as the Doctor himself admits he does a lot of running. (This creates another hurdle for any companions past their prime but I think the series could manage a middle-aged or even late middle-ages companion provided they were still fit.)

[BrEezy Baby]

The only exception that there's ever been to the gender one is the The End of Time Christmas Special, so a single episode. But this makes sense, without a female companion there wouldn't be much female presence in the show. As for human, I believe the only time the Doctor hasn't had a human, or effectively human, companion was when he traveled with Romana. However at this point the show had been running for fifteen years so I think so it's understandable that they'd try something new.

The 4th Doctor did travel solely with Adric for a while, during the E Space trilogy, but apart from that he's either been alone or with a woman.

[Cameron Wood]

Am I the only one who was really really really dissapointed to see the Time Lords go away again? I seriously wanted them back as part of the show to have interactions with the Doctor in series 5 (which is supposedly written to have much more classic-like Doctor Who stories), but nooo Russell T. Davies had to make them all evil and ultimately serve no purpose in the End of Time.

[Ludivine Poussineau]

Am I the only one who was really really really dissapointed to see the Time Lords go away again? I seriously wanted them back as part of the show to have interactions with the Doctor in series 5 (which is supposedly written to have much more classic-like Doctor Who stories), but nooo Russell T. Davies had to make them all evil and ultimately serve no purpose in the End of Time.

Yes, I was annoyed by that as well. Lets just stand here on our podium! Hey, maybe they can get restored to the boilersuit wearing demigods that lock entire planets out of existence for breaking the time laws, and not just being the kooky medieaval castle dwellers they became in the 70s.

[Lily Something]

The 4th Doctor did travel solely with Adric for a while, during the E Space trilogy, but apart from that he's either been alone or with a woman.

I thought Romana didn't leave until the end of the E Space trilogy, and then he picked up Nyssa on Tracken.

Although while Nyssa is in The Keeper of Traken she really isn't a companion until Logopolis so one way or another you're right that he traveled with just Adric for a short while.

[Lyd]

Yeah, I think there are certain traits that need to be found in the Doctors companions. If he has only one then they need them all but if he has multiple companions these traits can be spread around.

Female, to balance the fact that the Doctor is male
Human, to give the audience someone to relate too
Contemporary, again to give the audience someone to relate too

The only exception that there's ever been to the gender one is the The End of Time Christmas Special, so a single episode. But this makes sense, without a female companion there wouldn't be much female presence in the show. As for human, I believe the only time the Doctor hasn't had a human, or effectively human, companion was when he traveled with Romana. However at this point the show had been running for fifteen years so I think so it's understandable that they'd try something new.

The series has always had a contemporary human companion since Tegan showed up at the end of the Fourth Doctor's run, excepting some of the Tenth Doctors Christmas Specials again. Funny enough before this it was quite common for the Doctor to have no contemporary humans: the middle of the first Doctor's run, most of the Second Doctor's run, and most of the Fourth Doctor's run (even if you exclude the time he was just traveling with Romana). However these were also times when the Doctor was generally staying away from contemporary Earth; whenever he visits our time frequently he has human companions from our time, which does make sense. I also don't see this changing any time soon.

Of course with multiple companions they can easily go beyond this. I think the only immutable rule is that all companions must be relatively fit - as the Doctor himself admits he does a lot of running. (This creates another hurdle for any companions past their prime but I think the series could manage a middle-aged or even late middle-ages companion provided they were still fit.)

The third Doctor, Jon Pertwee, had these companions:

Liz Shaw (Caroline John)
Jo Grant (Katy Manning)
Sarah Jane Smith (Elisabeth Sladen)

..all contemporary earth females .

[Jack Bryan]

The metal dog was a lady?

[R.I.p MOmmy]

The metal dog was a lady?

The Doctor's never traveled with just K-9 so I largely ignored him.

I guess he and Mickey do have a lot in common! :hehe:

The third Doctor, Jon Pertwee, had these companions:

Liz Shaw (Caroline John)
Jo Grant (Katy Manning)
Sarah Jane Smith (Elisabeth Sladen)

..all contemporary earth females .

This is correct which is why I didn't mention the Third Doctor when discussing times the Doctor didn't have any contemporary human companions. For that matter I didn't mention the Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eight, Ninth, Tenth, or Eleventh since they've always traveled with at least one contemporary human companion as well. I suppose the Third Doctor stands out a bit since Doctors before and after him both spent time without contemporary companions :shrug:

The First Doctor starts with two contemporary companions, Barbara and Ian. After they leave the Doctor spends some time with Vicki (future), Steven (future), and Katarina (past) before picking up Dodo, who was contemporary. For the rest of the First Doctor's run he has contemporary companions. (Wikipedia also lists Sara Kingdom as a one episode companion, I'm not sure if one episode really counts but if it does she's from the future as well.)

The Second Doctor starts with Polly and Ben, who were companions of the First Doctor as well, but once they leave all of his remaining companions are either from the past (Jamie and Victoria) or future (Zoe).

The Fourth Doctors starts with two contemporary companions as well, Harry and Sarah Jane Smith. When they leave he spends time with Leela (past), Romana (not human), Adric (different dimension), Nyssa (future, different planet) before Tegan shows up at the very end of his run.

From this point on while the Doctor continues to find companions from different worlds and times there's always at least one who is a contemporary human. Tegan is replaced by Peri, then Mel, then Ace, then Grace, then Rose, then Martha, then Donna, then Amy. As I mentioned before some of the 10th Doctor's Christmas Specials are exceptions, we have people from the future in Voyage of the Damned and The Waters of Mars and people from the past in The Next Doctor. However these are also one-off episodes.