Soon ... is when ? It's supposed to be now.

And ...

If DLC was released soon after the release date, people would cry that content was deliberately left out of the game to sell as DLC. If DLC takes too long, then people [censored] and moan it's taking too long. I look at it like this... id software... take as long as you want. I enjoyed the hell out of RAGE and got a good 30 hours out of it. I am now playing other games. When DLC comes out, I will enjoy RAGE all over again. I really don't see the problem here.

I don't care about DLC ... there is no DLC anyways ... not enough people

And if it is DLC ... i don't buy DLC for PC games anyways ... yet .. i haven't bought DLC at all never for any game since i don't play console games at all.

We're talking about the modding tools


EDIT:

lol if you think i wait and post here for DLC , lmao ... i wouldn't be here posting this - LOOOOOOONG gone

This game's existance depends on Id Studio, and other patch-ins Carmack promised ( Super Quality Texture Pack, HMD, Eyefinity and Kinect support)


What has been said over twitter is not official at all - plus we never got anything DEFINITIVE on the super quality pack ... just some pvssyr without sense if it's canceld or still going. Bethesda has never mentioned super quality pack at all anyways, wether or not it's canceld or still coming, no idea, so im 50:50. Can't deny it , can't confirm it.

So the pvssyr from twitter is not to replace ... still waiting for official PROPER message that is more than smelly 140 characters in text.

Im not making this another Duke Nukem Forever - not supid to talk here for 14 years for ... a 5$ game

if your making stuff ... update on the status or else im out

and when im out , i won't come back <--- and the whole PC community

Saying for 3 months "that it's still coming" is not enough information to keep serious people going and now the point of no return has come. Soon after New year was promised , end of january therefore.

Just say something , something .... don't have to reveal anything ... just something to justify the wait.

This is not proper community management and you're pissing people away. (like ... who the heck is there left around here )

If you don't want customers like me, nor community support from me, nor my posts, say it and i'll go away. Why make people suffer for no gain for both.

The point is - they know how much long will it take. But they don't say anything other than Bethesda manager can say (he has no more clue because ID doesn't internally tell bethesda afaik, so it seems)

Days, weeks , months, half a year ... they know it.

The community manager is missing on this:
- * takes FEEDBACK from forum and provides it to the team


That means, you shouldn't "ask the team if they have any news" ... not enough communication

You should take the forum feedback that the forum is crying and it will go KAPUT if there's no news, maybe they'll change their mind and provide some news.


The next thing is ... why on earth ID software doesn't look the forums them self. I never knew ID Software got a community manager until i saw 2011 quakecon videos.

My question is ... what does he do ? He's not here, he's not anywhere else except behind the hidden curtain of twitter and facebook - oh just "great".

https://twitter.com/#!/idSoftware/status/154980987317649408

5 january ... now it's 26

Yeah.... kinda does make you feel like that doesn't it? I am disappointed at the lack of information too. I guess its all been said now.

Rage is a evolutionary dead end in regards to video games....you have a better chance of running into bigfoot at the mall than getting any more RAGE expansion or DLC.

The game is not that memorable for most people (I am sure the 12 people who love RAGE and post here will disagree and the 12 people who don't love RAGE will agree with me) and most will simply never think about RAGE or ID again which is a shame....they spent decades doing good work and creating brand recognition with quality. It is a shame it's come to this.

But in the video game business the present and future isn't about past accomplishments but rather "...what have you done for me lately".

Could it be that they have totally scrapped those plans and decided to do that for Doom 4 instead?

Wether it's Doom4 or Rage DLC/Modding we need communications somehow.
Twitter or Facecrap isn't accepted.

Evolution works by entire species going extinct, not merely having a bad day or even a bad year. Rage hasn't gone extinct, id hasn't gone extinct, and in fact they are working on the DLC as we speak because it did well enough on consoles. With any luck id will prove what the engine is really capable of in future games and we'll see Rage 2 make a comeback for the game just like so many other games that struggled to survive in their first incarnation.

I hope you are right.

In these days when video game studios are going out of business left and right there can be no doubt. Id is a survivor with a long history and is already working on a DLC for Rage and their next game.

I thought Duke Nukem Forever was pretty good. The campaign leaves much to desire, but the multiplayer is superb and entertaining. Now if only people could play it with me...

Stewox is actually talking about support of the game and it's PC community who does this, not console gamers! id should talk to us here in this forums.
Yhea....but id should listen to those who liked the game and want to support it, coz once again it is PC COMMUNITY who cares about future of the franchise! We are not as big as console crowd, but bigger doesn't mean better!
BTW....there's at least couple of multiplayer maps that are not present in it's SP version....especially "PRIME" map, it is so massive and atmosfearish with soo id-ish design and I'd really want to play it in some SP DLS!!

I check the site from time to time and waiting for news. When Gstaff said, "Early next year" to me that means some time in the first 3 months of the year. Patience is important. There are tons of games that you can play in lieu of Rage for a few months. The game has only been out what, 3 months? Just wait and all the details will come.

Rage 2 will most likly be on id tech 6. So Doom 4 is the only way id can make a come back with their own engine.

What are you talking about? If its an id tech engine that it means it is their engine! The id tech 6 is so far off in the future too that its impossible to guess what the first game to use it will be.

Also, Doom 4 has already been in the works for 4 years now. With any luck it will be released this year or next at the latest. There's no way Rage 2 can be done in the next 2 years even if they started right now (which they haven't.)

I am sorry I meant to say last chance to make an inhose game using id tech 5. Id has already said if doom 4 takes too long it coulnd also be on next gen systems using id tech 6. They will be able to do this because id tech 6 will be a hybride engine with id tech 5. Thats why I came to the conclusion that rage 2 will most likly be id tech 6 . Keep in mind id tech 6 probaly won't be that far away since they are reusing a lot of old id tech 5 tecnology. This is unlike their other engines where they through out a lot of code each time they made an engine. Its just not needed this time around since id tech 5 effects are not obsolite. In fact id tech 5 did not even usen all its effects in rage.

Carmack's done everything imaginable to automate the whole process and has said he wants to get back to producing a new game every 2-3 years. Doom 4 has already been cooking on the back burner for the last 4 years and I'd be shocked if they didn't release it within the next three years at most. I think that's just too short a time frame to even consider using the id tech 6 which will require the next generation consoles to play.

Even so, whatever they decide. Let us know a bit ... early.

The main point is that they should SAY SOMETHING so we don't wait and kill ur selfs.

We just get these lazy gay ass "100 -character" bits of pieces comments on twitter and facebook which have no explanation of what the heck is going on, and to address important stuff if they want to keep userbase afloat. If they don't want modders then they should let us know they're only doing it for a few 100 people to get later hired :/

Im not really mad at the game, Im mad at the WAY they're communicating with the community - like forums don't even exist, what the heck.

If they would have TALK the way you suppose to when you fail to meet promise then all this would have been somewhat excused and I wouldn't have written any of this nor started this thread.

Just pray for any genuine journalist to point this out that we (not much of us) at least have a point with this arguments, failed communication to community. Everyone hates silence, it's feels corporate (ex. microsoft), capitalistic and kind of hiding.

I have never accused them of failure of anything - why would they not talk about it. The mainstream MEDIA portrayed Rage as such, i have always defendend the artists

If they were talking - community would be a lot more tolerant and a lot more defending them now obviously we ... out of desperation of lack of information are backing on them too. I don't like it but i must, because this means protecting my own self from abuses, such as: time waste, money waste, a waste of life and dedication to something that doesn't sound like it will grow fruit.

The statements of "mod tools are still coming" - it's a statement from Bethesda publishing, it's not directy from ID. Their internal communications have not been revealed not even partly.

And a message to the insider (layoffs articles): What is the point of even leaking this layoff info - you know it's irrelevant except causing pointless negative buzz.

Layoff theory:
- it might have been the guys that got fired them selfs
- it might have been friends of fired that work for another company
- it might have been a rouge insider who only want's to portray ID in bad image.

So you see, stupid things such as layoff info can get out, BUT WHY NOT more IMPORTANT things such as this what really are we talking about matters (mod tools ,super quality pack)

Layoff news made a lot of BUZZ on the internet ... we , the core community all know what those layoffs are, atleast by faight that carmack is doing what he promised and those layoffs are what they really say they are. "common business practise"

I'll forward my post I replied on another thread recently:




Yes, "common business practice" - But noobs and casual gamers don't understand that. And the core community which is comprised of well experienced gamers, who know legacy and history, game development and the overall industry can explain. I have commented before on exactly this issue, why do developers and publishers don't provide better explanations when something like this happens, noob journalists mix a lot of things and often take it out of context or whole different assumptions.

The Forum community is where you supposed get the most accurate information. Ought to be supported by the DEVELOPER.
And they're all ignoring the forums, the ID them selfs as the journalists. It's like sheep-keeper talking to sheeps, they are in their own illusion because of misunderstanding, while the ignored bystanders minority yells at everyone with little effect.

The fact of the matter is that PC success made many games console success. For example: Call of Duty was a PC game. ... should i waste 30 mins trying to list 100 more examples ?

And the support of the forum directly addresses support of the PC community which .... to everyones surprise, has at least more care than an avreage x360 kid out there. PC users tend to be bound to fourms mostly. It's tradition and it's home, why killing it ? They're just killing sales for PC with their lack of support. And then come up "oh you see how PC sold less" ... obviously it sold less if you didn't focus on it. Same thing with Crysis 2. The big PC piracy conspiracy to help the ACTA / SOPA / PIPA lobbyists, they blame their own failure on the pirates. Remember last year when in matter of weeks 3 EA games were leaked, all PC version ONLY. EA blamed pirates again. And the Crysis 2 debockle. Later it was found out that Crytek internal employee leaked the build or he lost it or whatever (probably an angry employee that Crysis 2 is going to svck on PC at launch, months latery , Crysis 2 indeed svcked on PC, while the developer build was 10 times better, was out 2 month before official release and free of charge How can people avoid a deal like this ?)


If ID is making games for 14 old kids, casual market, please put a sticker on the game next time so advlts know they must avoid the product at all costs. Stop wasting my time Bethesda. Make a disclaimer how much IQ the game is targeting or whatever, I am sick of this nonsense and forum ignorance.

Serious advlts use social sites for COMMUNICATION for more important matters than gaming. Twitter is for celebrity and news jabbering, not social tool at all. Facebook is used by the serious persons mainly for social things which don't include posting gaming collections which a lot of people who want to see your photo gallery don't care about --- it's like going out to a all night party and talking about hardware electronics which nobody really cares about at that time. Others who use such social services to profile them selfs EVERYTHING they do are victims of the system obviously what's facebook doing in secret is not good. Im not going to let my private info to some US 3rd parties, spies and corrupt agencies.

Which brings us down how to counter this issue.

Even if the content and things take forever to get out. Noted in the


We just want updates on the progress, im not a 15 old kid who has all the time in the world to keep waiting all days. Give me something or else im dumping TOTALLY and doing/focusing on something else for half a year or more.

The whole point is long time benefits for them. If i don't see info about it, i would find work elsewhere

Example Scenario:
- news about mod tools A
- news about mod tools B (started development before)
- updates on tools B (bla bla bla)
- updates on tools B ( bla bla bla )
- .... .... 10 updates on mod tool B
- same old news about mod tool A .. "still coming"
- mod tools B get's previews, trailer ... whatever
- mod tools B released
- i start a new project in mod tools B
- new news about mod tools A - "stay tuned soon"
- halfway through the project on mod tools B
- mod tools A released with super mega hype, previews, blogs, trailers big big dedicated site and whatnot
- finished with the project on B
- released mod and got great acclaim and popularity
- work on updates for project on B
- don't care about mod tools A


The point is, when people find a stable project to work on, they won't scrap that and move onto what they were waiting half a year back which never got any information or updates.


We get back to community communication - if you don't pursue this goal to get more people modding on your tools, SAY IT.

It's not as simple as just coming out and saying it. AMD started this all up by mentioning something about an upcoming RAGE patch in a driver update and yet still no news on this so called patch. The silent treatment is certainly deafening here on this subject.