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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:23 am

But that's not what the Empire means anymore. It's a shell of what it was. All that remains of it is Cyrodiil and Skyrim. They were quick enough to betray Hammerfell, what makes you think they won't do the same to Skyrim if they have to ?
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Erin S
 
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:08 am

When it's just a racist joke, nobody cares and nobody should care. It's just a joke. We don't get riled over when South Park made fun of Asian people or white people or black people. At least we SHOULDN'T. But what Ulfric and Windhelm residents are doing is active racism. It's not a joke for them, they genuinely hate the Dunmer for no good reason.
Obviously you're not up on TES lore. The rivalry between Mer and men is the backdrop for the whole series. Morrowind and Skyrim being neighbors, they have fought over territory for centuries. The fact that after Vvardenfell Skyrim allowed Dunmer to take land for free without asking anything in return is, in TES terms, a B.F.D.

Dunmer are also a highly xenophobic race. If you follow the Dunmer woman you see being harassed by Nords to her office on the docks, you can hear her say some choice words about Argonians- the race that Dunmer enslaved for centuries.

So, there's some perspective for you. The war is bringing out social tensions in Windhelm, that's what war does.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:53 am

Obviously you're not up on TES lore. The rivalry between Mer and men is the backdrop for the whole series. Morrowind and Skyrim being neighbors, they have fought over territory for centuries. The fact that after Vvardenfell Skyrim allowed Dunmer to take land for free without asking anything in return is, in TES terms, a B.F.D.

Dunmer are also a highly xenophobic race. If you follow the Dunmer woman you see being harassed by Nords to her office on the docks, you can hear her say some choice words about Argonians- the race that Dunmer enslaved for centuries.

So, there's some perspective for you. The war is bringing out social tensions in Windhelm, that's what war does.

I stood up for that b,itch as well. Ah well Calixto gutted her later on.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:48 am

Can't comprehend how there are still people who don't understand that the Empire is buying time before WWII.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:18 am

Obviously you're not up on TES lore. The rivalry between Mer and men is the backdrop for the whole series. Morrowind and Skyrim being neighbors, they have fought over territory for centuries. The fact that after Vvardenfell Skyrim allowed Dunmer to take land for free without asking anything in return is, in TES terms, a B.F.D.

Dunmer are also a highly xenophobic race. If you follow the Dunmer woman you see being harassed by Nords to her office on the docks, you can hear her say some choice words about Argonians- the race that Dunmer enslaved for centuries.

So, there's some perspective for you. The war is bringing out social tensions in Windhelm, that's what war does.

But it's not just the Dunmer, it's that Ulfric himself doesn't help non-Nord caravans. It's Nord supremacy. Nords aren't better than other races. Dark Elves beat all other races!
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:48 pm

I did say it was a poor reason didn't I ? Someone stated the racist Nords in Windhelm hated the Dunmer for NO reason, I'm just saying there is one.

But it's not justified. Prejudice against someones ethnicity never has been, nor never will be justified.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:06 am

It's Nord supremacy. Nords aren't better than other races.

That's your opinion.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:51 am

I hate the Stormcloaks simply because they are a threat to the Empire.
In my sight , Empire means:
  • United provinces ( More power against the Aldmeri Dominion )
  • Unification of more races ( No more racist crap )
  • Strong and good laws
  • Civilization ( No Barbarians running around with animals on them )
And the main reason is , without the Empire fighting in the Great-War all of the so called "True Nords" would be dead or working as prosttutes to the Mer races.

The first point is made moot, considering the empire willingly abandoned Hammerfell after they refused to bow down to the dominions demands, who then kicked the dominion right the hell out of their home without the empire.

The second point is also made moot considering the empire has never conquered Elswyr** or Blackmarsh, or even Morrowind. In fact, the only land they ever "conquered" outright was Skyrim and Tamriel itself. They obviously have peaceful relations with the other provinces, but do not govern or control them.

The empire is primarily comprised of heartlandic white people with funny accents. They never "unified" [censored] under their banner. And as a rule, just because unification is possible doesn't mean racism stops existing. A melting pot society (which we have in spades here in America) is an extremely racist one.

** I could be wrong about Elswyr, but I do remember reading a book in Oblivion about them waging some kind of guerilla war against the empire. **
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:36 am



But it's not just the Dunmer, it's that Ulfric himself doesn't help non-Nord caravans. It's Nord supremacy. Nords aren't better than other races. Dark Elves beat all other races!

This comes from one comment by Brunwulf that has no sufficient evidence to support it.

Also, on the road to Dragon Bridge there is a dead Redguard and a dead Nord next to a Caravan. This suggests that Elisif doesn't give a crap about caravans either.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:56 pm

I hate the Stormcloaks simply because they are a threat to the Empire.
In my sight , Empire means:
  • United provinces ( More power against the Aldmeri Dominion )
  • Unification of more races ( No more racist crap )
  • Strong and good laws
  • Civilization ( No Barbarians running around with animals on them )
And the main reason is , without the Empire fighting in the Great-War all of the so called "True Nords" would be dead or working as prosttutes to the Mer races.

* United provinces.

True but they're under very weak leadership, so I would rather an alliance under strong independent leaders.

* No racism

There was racism under the Empire, no doubt, and Tiber Septim was one of the promoters of it. Read the first PGE and you'll see the biased, anti-Altmer stuff in it.

* Good laws

Who's to say that native laws (to each province) are better than one law that works in Cyrodiil but not in the other provinces.

* Civilisation

Luckily, the Empire failed to do this. How boring would a replica Cyrodiil be in each province? I'll keep my Forsworn encampments, Orc strongholds, Khajiit Caravans, Bosmer cannibalism and Dunmer Netchyman, thank-you very much.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:28 pm

I didn't like the native Dunmer's attitude in Morrowind. But that was largely because it set a great context. You were a stranger in their land, and they had no real time for you.

Skyrim, a province in the grip of a Civil War that is apparently tearing families apart left right and centre, seems to be one of the most accepting places around. Nobody suspects me of anything, and they're all incredibly friendly, even though just down the road there's a bunch of guys wanting to kill them, who I could well be part of.

So when there is a little bit of antagonism between groups that you can see acting out int he world, like in Windhelm, it helps make the place a little more immersive.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:07 pm

You're throwing thousands of people together as a single unit. The Dunmer are 'people' just like everyone else, they have criminals, law enforcers, cultures and opposing cultures. Just because one Dark Elf says she doesn't like necromancy doesn't mean she speaks for everyone. If you haven't noticed, there is almost always an NPC that gives you a quest or helps you kill almost every necromancer in Morrowind.
It's not one Dark Elf, that says they don't like Necromancy, the entire race is vehemently anti-necromancy. Their laws, & their two largest religions strictly forbid it, & yes there are Dunmer that offer necromancer killing quests, because they see necromancy as a scourge. That's part of the problem, because every Dunmer has an apparently inherent necromantic ability, that a great deal use with wild abandon.
And moreover, literally every family crypt in Morrowind is guarded by ghosts, skeletons, & bonewalkers. According to lore, these undead are deceased family members bound to their graves, & forced to watch over them. And yes some at least are forced, because it's mentioned somewhere, that Dunmer families have been known to tie particularly unfaithful family members to a grave site, as an ironic punishment of sorts. Hell, in one book it even makes mention of the fact that the Ancestor Ghosts Dunmer can manifest hate being summoned, because the living world is confusing, & possibly even painful to spirits.

So not only are Dunmer hypocrites, necromancers who say every kind of necromancy, except for the on they parts is evil.
They don't care, because even the spirits they practice on tell them that what they're doing is painful, & sort of evil.
Yet they do it anyway, while insisting that it's wrong, but only when OTHER PEOPLE do it.

I will concede that I am generalizing to a degree, but you can't talk about an entire culture without generalizing a little bit.

But my point is, yes. Dunmer hate necromancy. but they're also a culture built on necromancy.
Their laws, religions, & social mores all forbid it as one of the worst sins you can commit, however nearly every single Dunmer could be said to dabble in necromancy, & ninety percent of the Dark Elf families out there have a history built on necromancy, & are culturally reliant on it.
Dunmeri culture, is built upon hypocrisy.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:46 am

But it's not just the Dunmer, it's that Ulfric himself doesn't help non-Nord caravans. It's Nord supremacy.
Ulfric should be policing the roads- no argument there. However this is a matter of priorities. His forces are overextended, his power base is Nords, and because of the Decree of Monument he literally has no obligation to the Dunmer and they none to him. And nobody cares about the Khajiit.

Nords aren't better than other races. Dark Elves beat all other races!
The irony, it is rich. :blink:

BTW the Dunmer are my 2nd favorite race after the Nords. It is possible to like both.
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