Some people like fallout 3 better some like Vegas better and some like fallout 2 better, Just accept that fact and live with it... Its really stupid seeing people trying to prove someone else's opinion wrong... :brokencomputer:

I would like to see them reboot the original Fallout when the new engine comes out. New Vegas is a good game with a lot of content but to me it doesn't have that post apocalyptic feel that the other games had. It just seems like too much time has passed from the bombs dropping and where the game is now and New Vegas to me feels more like a futuristic Sci-Fi western than a post apocalyptic survival game.

No, I was never teamkilled by a burst because I let them go in front of me, I almost always hit a target with 50% and up, And when you said its superior I was misreading your post, I thought you were saying JUST because its in first person made it automatically better, Outdoorsman? How the hell is it a lot cause?

I never burst killed someone I did'nt mean to kill in FO1, But In 2 I bursted other enemies on accident.

Which was helpful.

Also to the post above, I would'nt mind if they went back in time around Fallout 1 but not in the same exact time as FO1.

Agreed.

Nope, you are not alone. I enjoyed each and everyone of them. They have each consumed hundreds hours of my life. I enjoyed every story, most quests and the writing and game play. You are not alone.

Ever since I played the Fallout 1 demo back when I was very young on my pentium 120 mhz I've been in love with the Fallout games. I don't really agree with the hate for Fallout 3, sure the main questline was pretty dull but things that I really enjoy in the Fallout games is the feeling of freedom. Scavenging, roaring around beating people up and blasting raiders to chunks... Helping take down the bad guys in some godforsaken town in the middle of nowhere. I felt like there was plenty to explore in all games and that include Fallout 3 and I love the feeling of never being able to tell what I'm going to find next, what happened in this vault etc.

I do feel that a pretty significant difference between 3 and NV is that in fallout 3 I often found myself in large dungeonlike areas, darkness closing in on me and ghouls screaming giving me shivers along my spine. Some places were damn scary In NV I fight mostly humanoids, not so much radiated mutated insects and humans, but regular humans usually connected to a faction. I hate mutated flies but seriously, they gave Deathclaws the uplift they definitely needed. Deathclaws still make me feel panicky

They differ from each other but I really enjoy both games. Which game reminds me more of the old games? Honestly, I never really compared, but I do feel like the desert and dry areas match my view on Fallout Something I do miss is being able to target someones eyes in Vats or punching someone in the crotch.

There, I summed up some of my strong feelings for the Fallout series, but I also wanted to add that Arcanum although not very often mentioned, is such an amazing game and one of my all time favourites, I wonder why there was never a sequel

. You could theoretically savescum your way through any skill challenge the same way but only stealing is useless? Try actually playing a thief character without putting any points into steal and tell me how far you get with your method before you want to claw your own eyes out in frustration.

If you gnaw off one of your fingers everytime your character dies, it greatly increases immersion...

:rock:

Even Fallout:Brotherhood of Steel.

True, but it makes using the keyboard/controller so much more difficult when you restart.

exactly, its CONSIDERED better. its still an opinion

I agree. I liked them for what they were, I don't think Beth wanted fo3 to be compared to the others. I don't think most companies do. I see three as being the other side of the country so it's going to be different and different is ok.

Well, no...I rarely even count that one.

Sorry for my oversight. I plain forget that one existed most of the time. And really, Fallout:2 is the one I put at the bottom of the others. It was just too silly for me.

Regardless I think anyone, if they are being honest can make long lists of things they liked and did not like in each and every one of them. I really don't get the FO:3 hate or the FO:NV hate I see around here but I've been here long enough to know gamers like to line up on opposite sides with opposite views and shoot one another down for their opinions. I see it as just another game we play. It never changes anyones mind about what they like and it doesn't make anyone right or wrong, it just aggravates folks and causes flaming threads and then the moderators lock them down. :shrug:

It's like trying to prove strawberries are better than blueberries.

I started with FO3, never played an RPG in my life (I'm a 3rd person sandbox guy: Mercenaries, Saints Row, GTA, Red Dead Redemption etc). So I guess it's a surprise that I agree with you about FONV. Love the superior writing and freedom of choice. Also thankful for the reduction of dungeon crawling (that really got old for me after a while).


I think I'm actually turning into a little bit of an RPG nerd (Would have never believed it). Thanks for nothing Obsidian. :rofl:



I'm in the early stages of Oblivion and find the dialogue to be horrendous. Much worse than FO3 so far.

Unique? Story and every major faction was basically from the original games. They could have made some interesting story or native east coast factions, but instead they chose to copy the west coast. And they managed to turn the factions outline intellectually disabled in the process.

Yes, by you, and some people, but what you and some other people like isn't what gets to dictate what is fact ... pleasing as it my be to tell others that what you like is factually better than what they like.



Of course they can. But feel free to actually prove me wrong by stating your facts to back it up. You'll need to start by appealing to some objective measurement standard that's not "I like this better, and so do a lot of other people".



Don't get intrinsic subjectivity confused with opinion.



Despite typing quite a few words, you still have not even attempted to demonstrate how Fallout New Vegas or 1 and 2 is factually superior to Fallout 3.

Fallout needs to explore new regions, i would like to see something new, i am getting tired of the west coast.

i Would either like to the appalachian area of america, the north east, or new york.

I bet you a trillion dollars that fo4 is the commonwealth, I feel it in my loins.

I don't get this either. I think I'm slowly learning to stay out of these discussions. On the bright side, I've never had my opinion called factually inferior before, so at least I've experienced something new today!

i rarely count it either, i have barely played it. (sadly it was the first fallout game i played) it svcked and i forgot about it. i didnt even remember it untill i played fallout 3.

if i had to order the fallout games in order from Liked the most to least it would go

F1,FNV,F2,F3,FTactics, F B.O.S.

i like all of them alot, except for B.O.S and i enjoyed them all. it was close.

if i had to give them a grade?

F1-A
F New vegas- A
F2-A
FTactics- B--
Fallout Brotherhood of steel-D

Depends on "for what"...

• Blueberries are good for making dye ~but not better than Strawberries for making red.

I like peanut butter, and I like anchovies ~but I don't like anchovies on jam
(I like the gameplay in Fallout1 and Fallout 3/NV ~but I don't like the FO3 gameplay in the Fallout series :shrug:)

thats where im guessing it will take place.


But i really wish that they would include a fallout game somewhere in the south

(seriously if my town was included in a fallout game, even as a very minor side location, i would kiss each Bethesda developor on the mouth.)

Summer - You know I went in hopeful, and was trying to be really positive. It was years ago now, but you may remember that I was the one trying to get the old fans and the developers to get along, with the meet the devs threads. When details about the game hit, I was. . . very disapointed. Making the game be about your father felt like if in FO1 the Master had stolen all the water chips. Part of what made FO1 so special was that you were sent into a mysterious world with a specifc task, but just being in that world changed you. By exploring the world, you become a member of it, and then organically discover the larger threat, which is totally unrelated to your initial task. That is absent from Fallout 3, which is a real shame.

Other than that, the games are just extremely different. And they are different enough that i do not think that the same people who like FO1/2 would be predisposed to like FO3. This doesn't mean that they won't like it, but there is no reason to assume that a FO1/2 fan will be a fan of FO3.

The writing quality is subjective, of course, but I just plain didn't like it in FO3. Even if you like it, I think you have to admit that it is very different from FO1 and 2, so there is no reason to infer that like FO1/2's writing would make someone like or dislike FO3's writing. There are completely different.

Another major difference is the brand of exploration. In FO1/2, you go to defined areas and explore from a fixed perspective. Only things that are nominally useful can be interacted with. A lot of the exploration is actually discovering items that trigger written descriptions, and this is also clearly different form FO3. So in a sense, FO1/2 have much more limited but focused exploration. It takes less time, and involves less "pixel hunting" to look for the "good stuff." By comparison, FO3 has TES style exploration. First person, with the ability to explore the whole world, and interact with/steal almost everything. This is a broader exploration in a sense, but it is clearly different. I would argue that enjoying exploration in FO1/2 does not predispose you to liking exploration in FO3 or vice versa, since the gameplay mechanic involved is so very different.

So, why don't I like FO3? I guess a better question is why should anyone assume that I would? I love the first two games to death, but do not like the TES series. If FO3 was more like FO1/2, then I think it would be surprising that I don't like FO3, but these are very different games, from thematic, stylistic, and mechanical standpoints, and I just don't like where FO3 comes out on these points. If this was another TES game, or some other random game made by Bethesda, of course I would assume it is not for me, because I have played almost all of their games and never liked them. But this was fallout, and I love those games, so I was willing to give a game which I would not have ever tried a shot based on nothing but the fallout elements of the game, and to me, those were lacking. NV is close to FO3 on a number of these points too, but it has enough of FO1/2 in it to make it work for me. If anything, this latter point should be the surprise, and it is a real testament to what Obsidian has created that they were able to make a game which is so different from FO1/2 in almost all the same ways as a game that I don't like feel like FO1/2 anyway.

I like them both ~but they are irreconcilably different. ~think: Frank Drebbin in Schindler's List; They are both great, but not in the same film, or as sequels (or in anyway related at all).
*My opinion.

You too huh? I thought it was the Lone Wanderer just being flippant which fits about ANY character I create.

As an aside, my biggest beef with FO3 was when the Wanderer rescued his/her dad from the simulation. His lack of emotion at seeing his kid (ESPECIALLY, if played as a female...dads and their little girls......nuff said). Then after dad reprimands him/her for leaving the vault, there is no response choice to mention that all hell broke loose and that the overseer's men not only killed Jonas, but were coming after said Lone Wanderer. I mean really? Really??????

That reunion should have been MUCH more dramatic or impactful.......at least the option for it to be should have been there. Drove me nuts every time I got to that part.

Sorry for the rant, back to the thread.