Football Thread

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:53 am

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICAN-STYLED FOOTBALL

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New one!

Am I the only one not bothered by the Vuvuzelas? (on tv that is, in real life they're quite a bit annoying)

I don't mind them either.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:13 am

Oh what is this shenanigan? I'll request the other to be locked

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:34 am

It already is locked

Unless someone else made a new one which I missed?

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:49 am

Of course vuvuzelas irritate me. Let's look at what's the background noise at various moments in a football match with and without vuvuzelas:

A goal is scored.
- Without vuvuzelas: The crowd delightedly cheers.
- With vuvuzelas: BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
A player gets to a very promising chance of scoring a goal, something he definitely shouldn't miss, he shoots but the ball fizzes right beside the goal.
- Without vuvuzelas: When the player is getting closer to the goal the crowd at first goes a bit silent, their attention fixed on him, as he gets closer they get more excited, then as he misses a disappointed "ooooooh" echoing from the crowd is heard.
- With vuvuzelas: BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Referee shows a player a yellow or red card by a very questionable decision.
- Without vuvuzelas: Booing can be heard from the crowd.
- With vuvuzelas: BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
A player makes a very unsportsmanlike action or foul.
- Without vuvuzelas: Regardless of the referee's reaction, booing and whistling can be heard from the crowd which, if the referee punishes the player with a red card goes down after player leaves the pitch, otherwise it lasts a bit longer.
- With vuvuzelas: BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
  which, if the referee punishes the player with a red card
  BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
  otherwise
  BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Do you see the problematic pattern and how it ruins the experience of a football match?

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:52 pm

Are the vuvuzelas so loud as to disrupt the players? I mean, if you're running to take a kick and then you hear them, wouldn't that throw you off, assuming they were loud enough?

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:38 pm

Watching Paraguay is enormously frustrating.

Ball gets passed to a Paraguayian (is that the term?) player. Player goes:

"Oh my god, I have the ball and I'm on OUR side of the field?!?!?!"

Player panics, and shoots the ball randomly to clear the field.

Sometimes in the game it seems Paraguay haven't been taught what passing is. It's mind-[censored] to watch >.< Are they really expecting goals with that method?

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:39 pm

Yes, vuvuzelas are annoying, but you can't ban them. It's the fans choice to bring them, they paid for their tickets they can make as much noise as they like.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:10 pm

Yes, vuvuzelas are annoying, but you can't ban them. It's the fans choice to bring them, they paid for their tickets they can make as much noise as they like.

That kinda doesn't make sense. It's a sport event, not a rock concert for [censored]'s sake. Too annoying and distracting noises like those of vuvuzelas should be banned, just like the crowd watching a tennis match can't make as much noise as they want even they paid for their tickets.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:45 pm

That kinda doesn't make sense. It's a sport event, not a rock concert for [censored]'s sake. Too annoying and distracting noises like those of vuvuzelas should be banned, just like the crowd watching a tennis match can't make as much noise as they want even they paid for their tickets.

Yeah and thats tennis. Don't start comparing tennis and football!

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:16 am

Yes, vuvuzelas are annoying, but you can't ban them. It's the fans choice to bring them, they paid for their tickets they can make as much noise as they like.

While I'm not sure if you should ban the vuvuzela, this is a bad argument in defense for the thing (I refuse to call it instrument). Just because a player has bought a ticket doesn't give him the freedom to do whatever he wants while watching it. If the warnings about vuvuzelas causing hearing injuries are true, then they should be banned. Buying a ticket doesn't generate freedom to do whatever the hell you like, especially not harming your fellow audience members with loud noise.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:39 am

Yeah and thats tennis. Don't start comparing tennis and football!

They're both sports. Any sport deserves some decency, which includes banning the sounds which are just too annoying and distracting.

edit:

Buying a ticket doesn't generate freedom to do whatever the hell you like, especially not harming your fellow audience members with loud noise.

That too.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:46 am

Many players have already said they can't concentrate or communicate on the pitch because of the vuvuzelas. Do we really have to put up with more games like France vs Uruguay just to pander to South Africa?

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:31 am

GOOOOOOOOOOOOAL PARAGUAY IS IN THE LEAD 1:0!!!!!!!!

edit:

Do we really have to put up with more games like France vs Uruguay just to pander to South Africa?

Apparently yes.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:48 pm

Damn! Paraguay are winning.

Do we really have to put up with more games like France vs Uruguay just to pander to South Africa?

The loudest game was South Africa v Mexico and that was a great match.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:52 am

Damn. Paraguay are winning.

Why is that a "damn"?

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:15 am

Why is that a "damn"?

I meant it in a surprised way. As in "Day-um" rather than as a bad thing

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:31 am

I meant it in a surprised way. As in "Day-um" rather than as a bad thing

Oh... Then you should have put an exclamation mark after it, not a full stop which doesn't make it sound surprised but as an annoyed remark.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:34 am

The loudest game was South Africa v Mexico and that was a great match.

Mexico would disagree.

Why is that a "damn"?

I agree. I want Italy to lose every game, incredibly painfully.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:19 pm

Ahh no, I had 2-0 for Italy. Hope they can gain something in the second half.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:18 am

Ahh no, I had 2-0 for Italy. Hope they can gain something in the second half.

:stare:²

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:45 pm

While I generally despise Italy when it comes to football, Paraguay didn't deserve that goal with such an otherwise horrible first half by them.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:14 am

1-1 it was coming.

That was Rob Green-esque keeping though.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:39 am

That was Rob Green-esque keeping though.

lol I thought the same thing!

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:54 am

1-1 it was coming.

That was Rob Green-esque keeping though.

Poor Green, I wonder when we're going to forget that

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:52 am

Poor Green, I wonder when we're going to forget that

Honestly though, the balls they use on this world cup are less heavy and bounce more than usual. I'm not saying that every single mistake a goalkeeper makes should be ascribed to that, but when the ball is less heavy then wind affects it a lot more and the troubles the different bouncing causes for goalkeepers I don't even need to mention. This very mistake, for example, could have been caused by the ball being affected by the wind, or even the heavy rain that keeps pouring down during the match, more than an ordinary one would have been.

Football Thread - World Cup Special III