All my L4D and L4D2 DLC was absolutely free and actually automatically added to the game for me.

The only thing they're charging for now is hats and weapons in TF2, but you can get just about all of those from drops, crafting, and trading anyway so it's completely up to the player if they really want to spend $2 for a hat.

God I love Valve.

I know, but it was technically after Doom, right?


I think it might be TES V related.

Of course it does. They couldn't have fixed that massive list of problems if they didn't know the problems existed, therefore there can be no argument that they knew they were shipping a bugfest.



I think they just figured "People are used to our style of (which is to say, near-total lack of) pre-release testing and fixing by now, so why change? They gladly paid to beta test Oblivion and Fallout 3, so we'll let'em pay for the privilege of beta testing this one too." They used their standard, established method: ship and make money now, fix (maybe) later. I also expect that just like Oblivion and Fallout 3, there will be some particularly annoying bugs that we're still saddled with (unless the community steps up to fix them) once we're playing TES V and Fallout 4.

Nothing new to see here, move along.

+1000

It isn't just gamers though, the entitlement attitude is everywhere.

I'd be satisfied with a patch that fixes the major issues. After that I think Obsidian will have done it's work and they can move on.

Free DLC would be nice... especially after they totally screwed up fallout new vegas.... Oh and I hope that DLC comes out on all consoles.... AT THE SAME TIME......

Yeah, on the PC.
On the 360 everything but the survival mode for L4D1 costs money.

Tbh, even if they wanted to release free DLC microsoft or sony would never allow it, such as the gears of war franchise on the 360, the game developers created DLC and wanted it to be released for free to the community to apolgise for the horrible lag online suffered before countless fixing, but microsoft basically turned around and said f**k off, they wanted to make money of it. If Microsoft/Sony can make money of something they won't let it go for free.

I said substansial Of course it's no fair to compare the Ultimate doom update to games nowadays. It added 1/3th of the content the game already had, but that content was much cheaper to produce. Games nowadays are pretty expensive to produce, so we have to make do with retextured cheating equipment as DLCs :hehe:

That's Microsoft's greed powers at work there. :deal:

I would be happy if they fixed the game first before any expansions, free or not, got released.

Actually, it went more like this.

>Finished game was shipped off for disk burning and packaging.
>More bugs were found in the week of game burning.
>Obsidian compiles them into one big patch and releases it after launch.

It isn't like Obsidian was like DO HO LOOK AT ALL THESE BUGS WE'RE LEAVING IN FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.

:facepalm:

So they considered something with all these glaringly obvious bugs "finished?"

Thank God they didn't give us what they consider a beta then, eh?

The game wasn't technically finished. As stated, they had a limited amount of time for testing because the time between the game being finalized so it can be tested and it being shipped off for release was very short. About 3 weeks at the most.

If you're really going to play the blame game, blame Bethesda for not pushing back the release date to allow for more testing.

Then again, if they were to push back the release date, we'd be having a bunch of threads on here along the lines of "OMG BETHEZDA!!! Y U POOSH BACK RELZ DAET??? I'M NOT BYING NOO VAYGUS NOW BECAUSE YOUR FAIL".

People just can't ever be happy, can they? :shrug:

Sigh....Dude we're not entitled to a free DLC because a game this massive has a few bugs. The only thing we're entitled to is a patch to said bug.


A free DLC would nice,sure, but I ain't going to demand it from anyone.

It would be nice and in return for these horrid bugs, patch in 5 secret, new weapons, (Preferably ones you cut,) and some new armor.
Say happy hunting, and it probably gives users much more replay value to find those weapons.

But hey, that is only my idea.

Valve says sup.

If you want free extra content, go bug the modders. Bethesda is a business and therefore is here to make money. The only thing you might get for free is an apology and that won't solve anything. This game included quite a bit of legacy imported onto a semi-modern game base, if anything I think its more incorrect not to expect bugs to pop up. I understand if you buy something then you want it done right but we're only human.

Huh.

I wonder why TF2 has received over 200 updates(all the updates probably have enough content for an entirely new game) and patches, all of which are free.

Man, Valve is awesome, eh?

No please, continue to be obnoxiously condescending to the other people in the forum by making it seem like they are idiots for wanting compensation for dealing with a broken game. I'm assuming that everyone in this forum paid for a game that was mostly playable, and yes given the history some bugs can be expected, but locking up at least once an hour, game ruining bugs that ruin game saves, and a whole myriad of other bugs that I can't even begin to imagine (I just recently had my right anolog stick stop working in the game) is an insult. God forbid people get angry and demand compensation for paying 60 dollars for something that barely qualifies as a finished game and then talk about it in a public forum that is designed for that specific purpose.

By the way, since you want to be so condescending, entering a topic that discusses bugs, issues with them, and solutions we'd like to see and going "HURR HURR MAI GAEM WORKS FIINE, QQ LESS PLZ DEEEEEERP" is not helpful to anyone, at all, and just makes you look like a pompous [censored].

So if you don't mind, please be help people out here, and if you must be so condescending at least give people helpful options. Saying we chose to play a buggy game is crap and you know it, and it's not like we have much of a choice since A.) Bethesda does not do refunds and B.) local game stores don't do refunds for broken games. I'd say the more appropriate way to explain the current situation is that we are STUCK playing this game since we can not return it and hell, we just spent 60+ dollars on it so what else are we gonna do with it?

TL;DR most of it.

Learn to whine and rant less, man. :rolleyes:

Also:

Then tell me, why did you start playing New Vegas in the first place?

It's because you CHOSE TO PLAY IT, which in turn means YOU CHOSE TO PLAY A BUGGY GAME.

You're also NOT FORCED to play it just because you have it. You can set it aside and play something else.

I rest my case.

A mix of free and for-pay DLC worked great for Mass Effect 2.

Given that they're probably the only credible RPG competition to gamesas... might be a good idea to take note of the fact an assault rifle here and a pistol there can make people forget all about a broken release.

Awfully presumptuous of you to assume we instead of you. I've run into some issues and it irritates me, but seeing how my last game save has 88 hours on it and I still have plenty of stuff to do...overall I consider the money I put down on NV well spent and don't want to discourage gamesas/Obsidian from doing another one so I have somewhere to go two or three years from now when I finally start to get tired of NV. So I'll tell you what I am going to do....continue to play and live with the bugs until gamesas pushes through a patch. Crying and making unreasonable demands isn't going to get a patch out any quicker....worse, it might convince them that the Fallout franchise isn't worth the trouble and let it die for good this time.



I pre-ordered ME2 and never had any issues worth mentioning. My problem with ME2 was how they turned it into a third person rail shooter to make the MW gamers happy. I think the free-play was a mistake as well.....FO3 and Oblivion were the first games of this type that could keep my attention after the main story line ended.

He has a point, bro. I've been hit with a couple of gamebreakers myself. The first one was the Steam Cloud Eats My Saves!! bug, where my autosaves got munched. Hard saves were fine. Then just yesterday I strolled into Novac only to have half of it NOT THERE AT ALL! It didn't even load the low-res long distance models. There was just a hole there. No collision, no models, no textures, no NPCs, nothing. Quicksave --> restart game --> load quicksave fixed it, but still... http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8582/anotherm.jpg That one happened in RepConn's Test Facility. Collision was still there but no texture or model. Also, about that time I also failed Arcade Gannon's quest hours before I'd even come close to meeting him, so now I have to use the SetStage command once I hire him to fix that cockup. Then there's the DLL fix I must use because the game's using a bad copy of DirectX 9 that makes a crowded area a friggin' slideshow. Literally three FPS in Gomorrah's casino floor without that DLL. When I apply that fix I can use higher settings and still get 25+ anywhere it's crowded, and I've seen as high as 80 a few times. And then there's the random CTD's. I can't finish Pingas Kahn properly because the ending slides CTD about halfway through. 90 hours of gameplay put into him and I can't even get the ending because of an oddball crash. Then there's this wierd bug where half the time it starts just fine with Firefox running and half the time it crashes before it even gets to the main menu. When it does so, killing Firefox allows it to play just fine. Then there's the known glitch with lever action weapons where if you interrupt the reload you can't do anything for a second or two. That one bites me in the ass a lot since I rely mostly on a Trail Carbine. Then there's the clipping issues. I've got a screenshot of Pingas Kahn wearing his rifle THROUGH HIS CHEST! The Pimp-Boy 3 Billion doesn't fit my current Courier's arm worth a damn, either. It mounts tilted to the right about 30 degrees, clipping through the arm. It's also not zoomed in far enough. The Pip-Boy 3000 isn't immune to bugs, either, it's zoomed in TOO much. I can't see parts of it. Lastly, there's the countless recurring Gamebryo issues. Bad pathing, ineptitude, suicidal combat subroutines, bipolar dialogue, wonky physics, you name it.

See:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7889/pimpboybug.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7083/physicsbug2.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5759/clippingbug.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6248/physicsbug.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6059/pathingbug.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7017/novacbug1.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7065/graphicsfailf.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3876/forcetyping.jpg


Yet I'm not QQing about it. I'm not sitting there with a sense of entitlement. I'm not clamoring for free DLC. I'm playing the game despite the bugs. I may be using the dev console as much as I do my weapon, but I'm still playing. And you know what? It's well worth the 50 bucks I spent. Sure it's delayed fixing my truck, and likely me getting a job because of that, but I honestly don't care. Bugs or not the game's friggin' awesome and I'm not going to spam up Bethesda's forum with whining and entitlement.

Sort of. Valve said in interviews that they use TF2 as a test bed for ideas. So players get free stuff, but unwittingly they're testing out something for Valve at the same time. That's not "free" really, but it is a nice relationship.

@TestECull
What mods are you running at the moment because I've noticed some of the same issues, not all resulting from the vanilla game. I notice you have the gun runners expanded mod from the picture of novac, have you gotten the issue without the mods installed?