Seen some DLC suggestions rolling around here, and I figured I'd make my voice heard on the issue.

Make at least one of them free.

We've all seen the issues in this game, and it's almost as if Obsidian, Bethesda, or whoever dropped the ball and never had any in-depth Quality Assurance or Testing done on this game and seems to have left it up to us as the gaming community to figure out the most crippling bugs and patch them at a later date AFTER we pay full price for a broken game.

Well, testers get paid in the real world. If they are going to treat us as testers then we should demand compensation for our time as testers; finding broken parts of the game, bugs, and glitches isn't exactly the most fun experience.

Something needs to happen on their part though; it seems like the general attitude among the community is that if Bethesda and Obsidian come out with the usual "we're sorry we gave you a broken game, here's a patch to make it work (maybe)" then they will lose a LOT of credibility.

This by no means means that sales will go down, MW2 taught us all that particular lesson, but they will definitely receive a bad reputation among gamers everywhere if they continue to give us broken games at full price.

Releasing patches will give them a bad cred? I guess they should just keep the game as is, then.

Mine works fine.

Free DLC would be nice but it will never happen. What will happen is a few patches will be reased and most of the bugs will be fixed, but like fallout 3 there will still be issues and paid DLC.

I thought a free copy of all the pre-order bonus packs would be a nice touch as they have served their purpose.

I would resent having to pay 1.99 of any currency for a canteen, but probably would
Horse Armor.

Microsoft won't allow free DLC if it includes achivements.

He is talking to the over all game condition, not if the game plays or not. You cant go through Vegas as of now and not get a little upset over a bug. Anyways though, on the subject of free DLC...I think the idea would be a very good one. Their was some talk about the new DLC coming to xbox this winter was going to be/include more songs on the radio. That right their is quality free DLC. Little upgrade perks for ingame are always welcome and make the play time, buggy or not, more enjoyable. I do hope Bethesda and Obsidian "Wow" us with this game and change some of the normal greedy ways of most development teams.

Mine works fine as well.

And seeing as the first DLC will be "exclusive" to Xbox 360 owners via Xbox LIVE, I seriously doubt you're going to get it for free. Microsoft is not Valve, and seeing as they are not, they ALWAYS charge for DLC unless it's something really small (like the extra items in your locker for Dead Rising).

And please, stop with the argument of "HURR DIS GAME IS BUGGAY WE DESURVE FREE DLC BECAUSE WE HAEV TO PLAY BUGGAY GAEM HURR" because you don't deserve free DLC for having to play a buggy game. Playing a game that is buggy to you is YOUR CHOICE. You don't have to play it at all if you don't want to.

Also, they had around 300 testers for New Vegas, but that doesn't matter if they had barely any time to test before shipping the game. They maybe had like 3 weeks at the most to test because Bethesda didn't want to push back the release date to allow for further testing.

didn't red dead redemption have a free dlc with achievements because the ps3 one had trophies

Bugs are to be expected. Consumers are entitled to fixes of bugs on a reasonable timetable, nothing more, nothing less. Please don't act like you're being short changed. You were an early adopter of a game, a game which, in fact, is a sequel to a game that was known to have lots of bugs at launch. You have no excuse for not expecting some instability. As games get more complex it becomes logistically improbable to adequately capture even the majority of bugs before release.

This reminds me of this little essay: http://tradeskill.blogspot.com/2010/10/gamer-entitlement-going-too-far.html



The progression of your timeline was quite direct, actually: You were mildly inconvenienced. You saw it as an opportunity for free stuff. You now, wrongly, feel entitled to said free stuff. You're not getting free stuff.

Free DLC will never happen, companies will lose out on millions of dollars.

If it's like Fallout 3, the patches will add bugs that are never fixed (i'm looking at you, unability to target thrown greneds/launched missiles :stare:). Fallout 3 atleast got the unofficial patches to fix bugs which Bethesda deemed unworthy of their time, alas the person behind Oblivion and Fallout 3 unofficial patches seems to have moved on

And free, substansial DLC? Has that happened ever since Doom was updated to Ultimate Doom?

This is a very good read and it's very true, sadly. I would read it again, but I already did so and basically typed out a huge reflection debating whether or not I want to follow my dreams and become a game designer because of how the new gamers are these days.

I think they allow at least 1 free dlc. Why are they stopping developers from giving free dlc?

Doesn't the fact that a PC patch with fixes for over 200 issues was released the day after the game was released tell us that they knew the game was buggy well before it went gold? Bethesda could have delayed the release of the game until all of the known issues were fixed and re-tested, but they didn't. I don't think there was a lack of testing...I think they ran out of time to get all of the fixes in and they didn't want to push back the release date.

I am not saying we are entitled to free DLC, just saying it would be welcomed. Free stuff is free stuff. What bothers me is the amount of money that is payed on a DLC. I know for a fact I will be buying the DLC for New Vegas free or not but I wouldnt be too happy paying ten dollars for only a few songs to be played on the radio. Smaller things like that should be a smaller amount or heck, free. Overall, I am only saying that a game that gives more free and enjoyable updates is normally more popular in the masses. Unfortunately no one will be happy either way because they never get everything they want in something.

Millions of dollars they already dont need because of the millions and millions they are making in sales each day?

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Hmmm....my game works perfectly right now. Free DLC even though my game is working great?

Sure, why the hell not.

Actually, Morrowind has free DLC (it's still free), but it's PC exclusive.

And they are going to want to keep it that way. Free DLC will never happen.

Unless your name is VALVe.

That's because it was distributed by Bethesda themselves. Not by Microsoft via Xbox LIVE. I'm pretty sure if those were released on Xbox LIVE today as DLC, you'd have to buy them. I imagine the addon for the Adamantium Armor being the same price as Oblivion's Horse Armor.

Also, it's because those were released back in the day when the term "DLC" was just barely starting to take form and become what it is today. DLC was just a baby when the Morrowind content was released, so they didn't really know how to go about releasing it, so they did it for free. Now DLC is a bratty child who just wants more and more.

Unless their parent is Valve, who knows how to keep their bratty child in line.

Funny how Bethesda delays all of it's OWN games for testing and fixing, but "WE'LL BE DAMNED IF WE'RE GOING TO LET SOMEONE ELSE FALL BEHIND SCHEDULE!" PUSH IT OUT NOW!! WE'RE LOSING MONEY BY THE DAY! NOW NOW NOW!"

Uhm no. L4D anyone?