Very mature, I didnt unsult you at all. I called you out for lying and you insulted me. LOL at trying to put words in my mouth, that are not even in my post. Nice try though, but at my age it dont wash.

Well your apparently not old enough to insult people on a video game forum for suggesting a idea.
Also when did I lie? and i haven't put any words in your mouth. If you didn't feel the need to be some kind of 'Elder Scrolls Bigot' this argument wouldn't have started.

advlts don't speak to each other that way. Not in English or Arabic. It's a video game forum... Don't take it so seriously.

Ahem
Sorry

Where did I insult you? I called you out for lying when you stated you read the thread link I posted, when I infact posted a link to the entire lore sub forums.

@Banned; Sorry pal, I have dyslexia, makes it hard to get grammar and punctuation correct when you are worried about getting the letters the right way around in the first place.

I've read the lore before I did not lie.

advlts dont speak to each other that way? Really? i understand maybe not on a video game forum but in actual real life?

Look under my avatar. See my warn status? That's the only thing keeping me from telling you exactly how I feel on the matter.

Other people cant see your warn status...but okay.

This, although I'd like to see Unarmed back in the first place. Damn you Beth for streamlining, simplifying, and gutting everything!

But... the Dwemer used magic to develop technology. Their automatons used soul gems as a power/life source. And given their heavy use of steam power, its not improbable that they developed a pneumatic projectile launcher, much like paintball guns today. Also, not every race is magically inclined, so what about enchanging a magical projectile to be fired through some sort of contraption, much like a caster gun. (google it)

Magic solves many problems, but there are still many openings where it can be used but haven't.

It's way high. So, just watch out.

While that is entirely logical and reasonable Echonite, if its not in TES lore already its not going to happen. As a long time member im sure you know that the lore is paramount in TES, especially where world changing events are concerned. Remember that to the dwemer their quest for a god of their own was more important than warfare, so all efforts were directed towards it. The crossbow was as far as the dwemer got in weaponry technology. Its why only the dwemer ruins have sige crossbows in them (and they are crap to boot).

Thats great.
I agree with you but What I'm saying is guns should be a invention that was invented recently not by the dwarves.

We don't. Need. Guns.
If you want guns there are games that have guns already. Those games might be more to your taste...

Thanks, Sport.

if you want guns in an open RPG, go play fallout, the elder scrolls series is all about slashing your enemies with either a mace,sword or a battle axe and also magic(which in my opinion is way better then guns)
when it comes to combat.

not too mention guns are so overrated, they dont need to be in every game..

I would think its reasonable and lore friendly to have primitive civil-war style flintlock weapons. its is entirely reasonable for them to exist. And this is a video game, we dont "need" anything we only want and I want some lore-friendly guns to give more diversity to ranged combat.

Hey, you guys play nice! I can understand each of you, your frustrations. Remember lore is what is past. Unless you are a writer for BGS you cannot promise or prove what new technologies are going to be available in the future of this game series. There is nothing wrong with being faithful to lore, but don't close yourself to possibilities. It's up to whomever is writing the story. On the otherside it is highly unlikely that they will offer guns as a viable weapon in TES as they have many other games available that use guns. TES is kind of a way to take a break from firearms. If you really have a need for gun-play in a videogame I suggest the Fallout series.

Again it is not lore friendly, and flintlocks would be nigh on useless in TES. Go to any re-enactment event and actually try shooting and reloading a flintlock rifle. If you can fire it any more than once a minute I will be mighty impressed. The act of reloading a flintlock takes ages, the weapon is highly innacurate, and its an energy intensive task to reload. Multi-shot flntlocks exploded more often than they fired, and were expensive to make. Also flintlocks would not work in damp, wet or cold conditions.

Basically because you precieve Mundus like earth you assume technology advances. It does not. In a world where you can cast lighting bolts by the butt-load with no real effort nearly 50 times a minute why in sam hells would anyone want a weapon that works only once?

So why do people use bows if they can just use magic? Because they may not know how. and besides this isn't the real world its a game a flintlock rifle could be made more accurate faster to reload and more deadly. and once again link to me where it says tech doesn't advance in Nirn. You cant can you? Know why? You aren't a Dev and you dont control anything that goes on within the TES world's lore. I have my idea, its lore friendly for the setting imo, i like it. thats the end of that.

But there can't be lore friendly guns. You are thinking of Call of Duty, not TES.
And that's what people love about swords and bows. It's what is past. What happened in the real world when guns appeared? Bows became completely obsolete., Swords were reduced to the boarding cutlass or the cavalry sabre: Backup melee weapons after you fired your pistols and musket.

I want a game without guns. Is that so hard to understand? I love shooter style games. I even collect guns in real life. Can't we have a fantasy world with fantasy weapons? Bows, swords, spells, monsters... there's plenty of games that already have guns... are all games supposed to be the same? Why not grenades, or rocket launchers (hey, they could make a lore friendly Dwemer rocket launcher!)... why not jets and satellites and nukes?

Men and Mers have been using bows for centuries on Mundus. They can be "re nocked" in seconds, and have only one moving part that is easily replacable and arrows can be crafted in minutes from a stick and a feather. Using that as an argument in favour of gunplay is foolhardy. Bows are STILL used today, even with fancy pants rifles able to shoot 100's of rounds per minute. Why? Because they are almost completely silent, are extremely easy to use, and are extremely reliable. Hell even Crysis 3 is going to have bows in it, thats one of its major selling points.

Its clear you dont understand the technological advances that are required and came before guns were even possible in the real world. Guns didnt just appear, there are several hundreds years of technological advances that are required. The Chinese had fireworks and extremely early cannon prototypes for centuries before guns were even thought about in the western world. Cannonade were invented and engineered for hundreds of years before the first "hand held" weapons to utilise blackpowder were even thought about.

So a flintlock just suddenly getting invented in Mundus is not only illogical and against lore but it frankly a ludicrous statement. And anyhoo guns are over-rated in any case.

LOL think im gonna go slaughter a small town with the storm call shout thinking of that.

just say no to guns ruined risen 2 for me