Both are badly designed. The entire Smithing tree is poorly constructed. From the first point, until the last point I should receive a benefit from the Perks I invest. I do not. They are simply pre-reqs, which for me is why I chose to the Heavy Smithing route despite wearing Light Armor as this gives me access to Daedric Weapons and Dragonscale Armor. I absolutely do not care what-so-ever about Steel, Dwarven, Orcish, or Ebony. That is flawed.

Instead, I would like to see something more like the Enchanting system. The first 5 points add to how much you can improve any item. Perks past that add unique skills to alter crafted items. Total overhaul of the Smithing tree.

Wait I am confused on the perk tree. If we want daedric we can't go around in full circle? How do ebony weapons compare to glass?

I think it is fine.

1st: going the light route takes 1 less perk to get dragon armor so you are ahead of the heavy side.

2nd: part of the process (why you cant skip from steel to daedric even if your skill is 100) is because you have to develope the skills to work each type of material. Steel works and is handled differently that Dwarven which handles differently than Orcish materials and so on. Just because you are a master at smithing light materials doesn't mean you know anything about handling the materials needed to make Daedric.



I think they put steel plate with scale as adding it to the heavy side would put yet another perk between steel and dragon on the heavy side. Light would be two less perks to get to dragon. And it doesn't go with plain Steel because it has much better protection.

That's called exploiting the crafting system, it's ancient news.

That's called exploiting the crafting system, it's ancient news.

Seeing as how you have to craft ebony to create a daedric weapon, it makes sense that you'd have to know how to craft ebony first.

I don't see a problem with the way the tree works in this regard.

Regardless, you skip tiers too fast for those perks to matter. The progression of Skyrim is not slow and steady enough for me to feel like those perk points had their purpose. Within the first 2 hours of the game I had an Orcish Bow. By the time my Smithing caught up, I was using an Ebony Bow so it just did not matter that I could improve the Orcish Bow. Same with Armor. The Smithing Tree is just - bad.

Yes, I am one of those who had it all figured out, go light armor route in the smithing three, after snagging dragon smithing, pick daedric smithing and then your all set. Well that didn't work and now I'm torn how to proceed.

If I just leave it as it is, I'm stuck with glass as the best improvable weapons. On the other hand, with smithing and enchanting I can make glass weapons really powerfull as well. But... hmm i now I'll just go nuts when I find that daedric bow and I won't be able to upgrade it. But in the same time, at level 35, the levels is far between and theres a handfull of perks that would have to be spent to reach daedric smithing. Perks that maybe could do me more good else where?

The status is like this, I've picked all the perks up to glass smithing bot not yet dragon smithing. The heavy armor side of the tree is totaly untouched. In any case I'm going to max out alchemy and enchanting to really bring some umpfh! to my weapons. The question is, does the umpfh! from daedric weapons justify the cost in perks to get them?

A crafted ebony weapon isn't required to craft Daedric weapons ala the Nord Hero stuff, all you need is Ebony ignots which you can find or purchase.

I'm a sneaker, using my bow 90 % of the time so one shot is usually al I need. So I really don't mind if the daedric bow fires a tad slower than the glass one. But for my dual wielding it's more of a concern. Basically you say daedric and glass evens out? I was of the impression that daedric was by far the best?

Smithing is fine if you don't abuse it.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.... jk.

The skill tree for smithing visually appears more like a round robin type of tree, and it isn't apparent from the picture which node is the actual apex of the tree, whereas with other trees you can tell quite easily from the visuals where the apex is located. I think this adds to the overall "wishing" with regard to continuing in the clockwise direction.

It's reasonable to think that some people, upon seeing the shape of smithing tree, and possibly not having reached the end of any other smithing trees, believe they can go from glass to dragon to daedric, or from daedric to dragon to glass.

Am I flat out lying?