There is a reason why they are called perks. The base perks for a lot of the skills, for example One-handed, "Rank 3/5 in Armsman, you do 40% more damage with One-handed weapons." They should scrap that. Damage with weapons and bows, less magicka cost for spells, and better sneaking should rely on the ACTUAL SKILL. The higher the skill number, the more damage you do with weapons, etc. Not some perk. Skills now just feel like milestones to get to the next perk. That is not Elder Scrolls.

not really, the race perk is so miniscule you barely even notice it. i cant tell you how many times i had forgotten i had the power voice of the empire. i barely ever use it. i build like an assassin bows being my most used now i could have picked wood elf for the assassin thing because they get a tiny bonus to bows but i didn't and im perfectly fine. the race bonus is so small it barely matters at all.

off topic note: they didn't really remove classes to fully remove classes would be to remove every skill we have a choice over in the game they will always have classes in the base skills that we can pick perks for is intact. just need to know what to spec for to go with your play style. assassin for example is one-hand,archery.light armor, illusions in some cases, sneak and lockpick comes in handy too

Your damage still does go up with the skill. Perks are specialization in particular skills that make your character stand out even more. All that stuff that you mentioned should come from skill -does-. Magicka cost goes down based on skill, damage goes up based on skill, sneaking gets better based on skill, armor protection goes up based on skill, perks simply give you further specialization within each skill.

You say skills just feel like a milestone to get to the next perk, well speak for yourself because the game doesn't feel like that to me at all.

What is Elder Scrolls is being able to design a character as you want it, without being limited by arbitrary classes that have been predetermined, and Skyrim allows you to do that with their skills, perks and leveling system. So yes, it is Elder Scrolls. And IMO, it's the best implementation yet.

Yeah the damage does go up with the skill, barely though. It is a fact that, if you have a 100 One-handed skill, you would still be doing less damage, than someone who has 2/5 Armsman perks. Yeah. Makes complete sense.

Okay? And?

And you'll be doing the most damage with a maxed out skill, and a maxed out Armsman perk...

The character progression shouldn't rely so heavily on perks. I don't hate perks, but the way Beth implemented them was horrible. Perks should just enhance your skills, rely on them so heavily.

Heh, rose tinted glasses. Wonder where all these people are buying them at? They're [censored] everywhere today.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just think prior to starting about what type of character you think you would like to play, and see which attributes each race has to offer. For instance, Wood Elfs start with +10 in archery, so some perks will be available faster. But don't think that you'd have to pick a Wood Elf if you want to be an archer. Any race can be just as good. It really just comes down to personal preference, and how you tend to roleplay.

Are you implying that I am looking through rose tinted glasses?

Except in one aspect, endurance, which governed how many hit points you received per level, and given that the hp bonuses weren't retroactive like they are in say D&D, that meant that if you wanted to get the most hp you could possibly could (and you would want that) You wanted to max out you endurance as quickly as possible. Elimination of the attributes means you no longer have that distinction. That said it was still possible to get enough hp by playing say a High Elf in early games. Also, by eliminating things like "endurance" you no long had to worry about stat multipliers and practicing skills that didn't even fit your playing style to begin with.


Uh...yeah, gotta side with Nell on this one. Look the mantra for Elder Scrolls, from the very get go, was to play what you wanted to play, and the changes that Bethesda has made throughout the series have been made towards that pursuit. And the elimination of attributes such as strength and endurance has only helped to achieve that goal.

Let's take an example here, I like swords, I want my character to use swords, I want her to be good with swords. Well I can increase her sword skill, but for her to really be good with swords I have to increase strength. Which governs damage and governs how much you can carry, which is important because the better weapon and armor materials get gradually heavier. This means increasing my strength stat and appropriate modifiers and the best way to do that is to train and use axes and maces, you know, weapons that aren't swords.

Eliminating strength means I no longer have to worry about increasing skills I had no intention of using in the first place. And yes they've dumbed it down to one handed, but the point is I no longer have to carry have to carry a mace or an axe, and it can be more about preference then what skill or stat is tied to it.


On the contrary the new system is more specific not less, The perk system means I am no longer going to be a master at every skill, can I become good at skills I don't have any perks in? Yes, but I will never be as good with those skills as I will with the ones I do have perks for.

Also the health, magic, and stamina increase that I have to choose from also effects my choices, do I want to stand toe to toe with my foes or spam powerful spells at them. And yes I am aware that you can eventually enchant stat bonuses into armor and jewelry. But until I get high enough in my enchanting to make that worthwhile the stat choices still impact the growth of my character.

Sure the system isn't perfect, there are some perks that aren't particularly useful, their are some skills that are going to level faster then others just by the nature of this game. But very few systems are perfect, and personally I find I like this system better then what they've in the past. Here I don't have to worry about maxing out attribute modifiers before leveling up.

My main is an Orc mage.....so no, it doesn't.