Hypocritical Stormcloaks... : V

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:55 am

Anyone else notice this?

I mean...they hate the empire, but they worship an Imperial Emperor; they hate any species not Nord, but they're quick to grab any that seem to be better at fighting than them; they love Ulfric because he "stands up for true Nords," but Ulfric is trying to get rid of the Empire - which has been prevalent in Skyrim for longer than any of them have been alive (so one would think, true Nords would be loyal to the Empire - as Hadvir's father says at the beginning of the game when asked about the Empire - "Nords are no fairweather friends").

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:01 am

Oh here we go as a imperial supporter I can understand the stormcloaks goals and why they fight I simply don't trust the man behind the cause.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:34 am

Just because you have been under the thumb of a conqueror for more than one generation, does not mean you have come to accept the situation.

» Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:48 pm

I've noticed. They are every bit as full of it as the Empire. That's kinda a strength of both sides though to me there is no clear right and clear wrong.

But, yes, they definitely are.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:59 am

Stormcloaks don't know what they want.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:42 am

Anyone else notice this?

I mean...they hate the empire, but they worship an Imperial Emperor; they hate any species not Nord, but they're quick to grab any that seem to be better at fighting than them; they love Ulfric because he "stands up for true Nords," but Ulfric is trying to get rid of the Empire - which has been prevalent in Skyrim for longer than any of them have been alive (so one would think, true Nords would be loyal to the Empire - as Hadvir's father says at the beginning of the game when asked about the Empire - "Nords are no fairweather friends").

True nords would be true to the Septim empire. The empire today is falling apart. Skyrim is better of separating itself before the empire drags them down.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:18 am

Imperial vs Stormcloak flame war incoming...

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:32 am

ulfric hates what the empire has become. not what it was. hates the empire because the emperor surrendered and agreed to banish talos worship instead of faced his death.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:39 am

Imperial vs Stormcloak flame war incoming...

Yup I say the flame war is going to break out on the second page. I personally think this is not the right time for skyrim to be independent after we kick the domnion ass? I say go for it.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:26 am

ulfric hates what the empire has become. not what it was. hates the empire because the emperor surrendered and agreed to banish talos worship instead of faced his death.

Spoiler

The Emperor is as brave, if not braver then Ulfric, shown during the battle of red ring and the end of the Db questline

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:50 am

I'm more irritated by Dunmers in Windhelm. They whine how they live in a slum... I bet they would enslave Nords if they had to migrate to Morrowind. Argonians, Khajit, remember:)?

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:55 am

True nords would be true to the Septim empire. The empire today is falling apart. Skyrim is better of separating itself before the empire drags them down.

True, the Empire in Skyrim reminds me of the Austria-Hungarian empire right before World War I. A sort of forced together group of people of different cultures who don't really care for each other but are still together by will of the central ruling power.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:19 am

Anyone else notice this?

I mean...they hate the empire, but they worship an Imperial Emperor; they hate any species not Nord, but they're quick to grab any that seem to be better at fighting than them; they love Ulfric because he "stands up for true Nords," but Ulfric is trying to get rid of the Empire - which has been prevalent in Skyrim for longer than any of them have been alive (so one would think, true Nords would be loyal to the Empire - as Hadvir's father says at the beginning of the game when asked about the Empire - "Nords are no fairweather friends").

Tiber Septim was a Nord (so the prevailing theory goes) and the empire turned its back on him. As Galmar says when you point out that Skyrim has always been in the empire, "not this empire." The Septim line died out with Martin's sacrifice and the Medes came to power just like Ulfric does- by saying "I'm in charge now" and putting up the muscle to prove it. Only now, they aren't able to hold it all together.

Also, the Stormcloaks don't "hate any species which is not a Nord." Some are racist, but most just want Nords to rule Skyrim.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:10 pm

True nords would be true to the Septim empire. The empire today is falling apart. Skyrim is better of separating itself before the empire drags them down.

But yet if they do breakaway from the Empire. What's stoping the Thalmor, or anybody else from taking over Skyrim? If anything they are better off by staying with the Empire. The Civil War made them even weaker if the Thalmor, or someone else tries too.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:36 am

Just because you have been under the thumb of a conqueror for more than one generation, does not mean you have come to accept the situation.

Fair enough, but that's why I brought up Hadvir's father - like he says, "I may not like what the Empire are doing now, but true Nords are no fairweather friends." Or something to that effect. They may not like what they're doing NOW, but a true Nord would still support them in the hope of change back to what it used to be, in the future.

ulfric hates what the empire has become. not what it was. hates the empire because the emperor surrendered and agreed to banish talos worship instead of faced his death.

Fair point - the surrender is a big deal to them, I'll admit. But what about all the race (or species, whatever) issues?

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:34 am

To me, Ulfric is the lesser of two evils.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:48 am

Spoiler

The Emperor is as brave, if not braver then Ulfric, shown during the battle of red ring and the end of the Db questline

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Yeah at least the emperor faces his death like a boss than run like a little girl like what ulfric done after he kills the high king if he was a true nord he would of stood there firm after he killed the high king. The emperor is more of a nord than ulfric.(before anyone says anything I know the emperor is not a nord)

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:30 am

Spoiler

The Emperor is as brave, if not braver then Ulfric, shown during the battle of red ring and the end of the Db questline

true, but i believe this was ulfrics reasoning behind starting the war, that the empire had become weak under a (who he considered to be weak) emperor, due to how mede handled the thalmor marching up to the imperial city and making the white-gold concordant. i dont have the actual quotes right now, not near my xbox.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:26 am

Spoiler

The Emperor is as brave, if not braver then Ulfric, shown during the battle of red ring and the end of the Db questline

This is true.

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The Emperor accepts his death with dignity and honor. He knows things are screwed up and need to be cleansed. He knows him being assassinated is destiny.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:15 am

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Yeah at least the emperor faces his death than run like a little girl after ulfric kills the high king

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He didn't just face it, he EMBRACED it.

» Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:20 pm

Fair point - the surrender is a big deal to them, I'll admit. But what about all the race (or species, whatever) issues?

there are always racists out there. and ulfric being one is why im always on the side of the empire. i love playing as the beast races.

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:09 am

Just because you have been under the thumb of a conqueror for more than one generation, does not mean you have come to accept the situation.

But surely the Nords are the conquerors, not the conquered?

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:32 am

Spoiler

He didn't just face it, he EMBRACED it.

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which is even more badass after that scene that made me make another character and join the imperial legion and finally dive into this stormcloak and imperial debate

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:58 am

But surely the Nords are the conquerors, not the conquered?

i thought they were a little of both? came in and conquered, empire later comes in and conquers them?

» Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:42 am

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He didn't just face it, he EMBRACED it.

I don't see why this is particularly admirable. If he wanted to die, he could have just fallen on his sword and saved everyone a lot of trouble.