Just thought i Share a discussion with another skyrimmer, thoughts?



IGN came up with a comparison of Dark Souls and Skyrim in which they gave 5 pretty idiotic reasons why Dark Souls is better. And this weeks or even months before Skyrim's release, so it was obvious they could not deliver a proper comparison between two of the biggest RPGs, since they haven't tested at least one of them long enough to do so. They just used the hype train of Skyrim to draw attention to their site by bashing (one of the) the most anticipated RPG of 2011. If you haven't read the article, here you go:

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1196353p1.html

But we disgress. Back to topic <.<


Actually, since this is about skyrim...i agree you can blame them for releasing this too early but all those points are true (well maybe not two)
1. Online multiplayer (dark souls has one skyrim doesnt, winner dark souls)
2. DLC/Pricing (skyrim planned DLC, dark souls complete package/no dlc; depends on how you look at DLC but majority would rule it's a nickel and dime scheme so winner dark souls* *for possible skyrim win)
3. Epic scope (skyrim has a huge scope that encompasses multiple game play mechanics; dark souls scope is smaller but arguably denser but this article argues that the increase in scope to sequel was a much larger leap, we'll say tie)
4. Combat/Challenge (this doesn't even need an argument, dark souls is completely combat focused and therefore tailored to it; skyrim combat is a part of many mechanics and not the focus and just wasn't fleshed out enough so winner dark souls)
5. Dragons (Dark souls dragons are absolutely terrifying and each one is it's own enemy with different tactics; skyrim offers a ton of dragons fight over vast scales, that use same-ish tactics and are plain easy winner dark souls)

But he doesnt mention all the points where skyrim beat dark souls. But you can't say skyrim would not benefit from all these aspects of dark souls. I think you have to play both to form your own opinion. I know I have. But personally I consider skyrim less of a game and more of the perfect fantasy simulator. Which is great in it's own right.

Dark Souls is a great niche game.

If you prefer it to "Skyrim" then that's super but you've not really convinced me that it is actually better than "Skyrim" in any way shape or form.

Azrael
The Nord with the Sword

But... the games are nothing alike.

Don't see how the games are enough alike to compare really.

Online multiplayer would be the death of TES. TES is and has always been an epic SINGLE-PLAYER game, and I honestly can't picture what an online mode would look like.

Really not even online and combat? Skyrim doesn't even have online. How awesome would it be to summon a totally different dragon born to you game, or get invaded by one?

Pizza is better than Cheeseburgers? Whut?

wow i'm getting trolled hard

You Sir have created a paradox

Dark Souls is a good game. I just like Skyrim more.

Though I will admit, dragons in Dark Souls are better. Atleast dificulty wise.

QFT

Also, it's OBVIOUSLY a matter of opinion. I enjoyed Dark Souls. I enjoyed Skyrim FAR more.

In Dark Souls, if you fought an enemy once, you know all their tactics, and could trump the rest of the enemies of the same type you found. That held true if you knew how to recover Stamina correctly, and how to block correctly. They just separated checkpoints by a large distance, made with bosses with easy-to-avoid one-hit-kill mechanics, that are nothing new if you have played any of the more popular MMOs, and then called it a 'brutal' challenge.

Sure, it was MUCH more difficult than most games in this day and age, but it feels like people are treating that fact like the only evidence it needs to be given a great score. It does deserve a good score, but not because of the difficulty.

If they had co-op and decently balanced combat it would be 10x more epic. I wouldn't say full online... that games already out... it's called Darkfall. YMMV with that game.

just picking some aspects completely arbitraryly. you could also say fifa is better than elder scrolls cause it has original player names while tes doesnt.

that's the point, not like an MMO co-op and invasion, it would be awesome "your invaded" in skyrim would cause all kinds of tension

Well its hard to compare such different types of games really. Skyrim does seem a bit unpolished here and there.. erhrmm..
And the Dragons could have been a lot tougher.

I for one think Bethesda should take advantage of all the modding capabilities out there, organise them and coordinate them, set goals, standards and so forth... and make one hell of a free DLC of it. You know, from better water, improved weather new quests, more voice actors, textures, lore consistent features etc.

Dark Souls and Skyrim are totally different.

In my opinion IGN are morons and they have a lousy publication.

Also I think that TES stands head and shoulders above any game on the market it terms of how good they are. Morrowind and Skyrim are on top followed by the others.

Also multiplayer should never be in this series. It would drag the game down, the time on that would be better spent creating the world and the content within.

You're playing skyrim for the wrong reasons bro, go back to tf2 or some other boring co-op game.

This. So hard. Worst article ever. IGN has been terrible for so long, I literally havent been on the site in over 2 or 3 years until now. And I wont ever again.

Can their be at least one response that is about the games and not an ad hominem attack

I don't understand why some aspects of a game are compared to another when they aren't even the same genre.

It's just like comparing Skyward Sword to Skyrim and then checking off what one game has over the other that is only relevant to a specific genre type.

Was Dark Souls > Skyrim? It depends on the person and what they are looking for in a game. For me, it definitely was, but it's also an entirely different kind of game.
Was Skyward Sword > Skyrim? Same answer as above.

As most would not understand, Online Multiplayer would completely ruin the TES series. it would end up becoming like any other MMORPG. gonna find almost all people wearing the same exact best armor there is, looking up the best builds for characters just to be stronger than others, would have no immersion at all, no Role Playing and have whiny 8 year old's complaining through your television ._.

I'm Glad Skyrim is just one player, I'm the only Dragon Born here and no one else tell me otherwise! >:|

This is a loss how? Not every game needs the useless online padded on. There are games that can survive in and of themselves.

He also forgot to compare Skyrim to Crazy Taxi so he can put down more valid points...

If you haven't seen the blatantly legit responses in your own thread, that are obviously commenting on your post and the article, then you're blind or have the users locked out, somehow.

There have been many reasonable responses. Probably more than trolls/ad hominems.

Terrible ideas are terrible, if you don't get why this is a terrible idea then you don't really get what The Elder Scrolls are about and failed to notice this would entirely break the very prophecy that this game is based on which has been in a couple of the past games, there is only ONE/LAST Dragonborn who faces up against Alduin and that has always been the way it's meant to have been. More so online play like that requires some arbitrary amount of balance, TES doesn't care about balance, because balance isn't fun it's only about being fair, instead Bethesda try to focus on a deep interesting storyline and a fun game, not a stupidly competitive one.

As for IGN, everything and anything to do with News Corps is something everybody should be wary of, IGN may not be as bad as some of the other companies in that group but it's still the same corrupt people at the top of the chain.