Imperials vs. Stormcloaks (Among other topics) : V - Skyrim

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:16 pm

Simple, if I play a Nord than its Stormcloaks any other race its imperials.

Why would any race other than Nords favour the Stormcloaks?
I reckon most Nords secretly sympathises with the rebellion, and want their country free even if they can't stand Ulfric and his methods.

Not really if you're Talos worshiper you've got reason to join, The nine divines has variaties of races as worshippers

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:00 pm

I suppose Paarthurnax or Odahviing or any dragon might be able to teach it. Still it takes time though.

Becoming an adept mage also takes many years. Not much of a difference imo, save that the Empire already has mages.

But its mages in Skyrim are finite.

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» Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:37 am

Becoming an adept mage also takes many years. Not much of a difference imo, save that the Empire already has mages.

But its mages in Skyrim are finite.

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But the dominion already have mages while the nords will start from scratch.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:49 pm

Not really if you're Talos worshiper you've got reason to join,

Thats a good point. Unfortunately there is not really any way of declaring the dragonborn's religious preferences. (Other than spending a lot of time praying at the alther!) Or any skill connected to worship. If there was then a Talos worshipping dragonborn could be expect to support the Stormcloaks.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:04 pm

But the dominion already have mages while the nords will start from scratch.

We're discussing the battle vs the Thalmor? Moot point. Thalmor forces are dented and they reproduce more slowly than Humans. Add to that the Stormcloaks have the Dovahkiin in the event that they're fighting the Thalmor, and the Dovahkiin has both Odahviing and the dead of Shor's Hall.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:57 am

We're discussing the battle vs the Thalmor? Moot point. Thalmor forces are dented and they reproduce more slowly than Humans. Add to that the Stormcloaks have the Dovahkiin in the event that they're fighting the Thalmor, and the Dovahkiin has both Odahviing and the dead of Shor's Hall.

According to imperial library pocket guide the elves didn't reproduce slowly they reproduce normally but kills them because of their want of purity if they want to they can just stop that killings to repopulate.

And yes we're debating the battle currently, and even if you're willing to bid your time to learn the thu'um I don't think other stormcloaks will agree. Most of them hate the empire because the empire didn't attack now while the dominion are weak. If the stormcloaks themselves wait to learn thu'um that'll be rather hypocritical isn't it?

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:26 am

Are you implying every Stormcloak has the exact same thoughts and feelings?

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:12 am

Are you implying every Stormcloak has the exact same thoughts and feelings?

No I'm not I'm sorry I actually agree with you I'm just annoyed to those that said that the empire is wasting time to prepare, while the stormcloaks themselves can use this timel to prepare with thu'um for example like you says.

Sorry if my comments offend you.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:30 pm

Are you implying every Stormcloak has the exact same thoughts and feelings?

Just like cattle.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:05 am

Just like cattle.

If the Empire was so great they would've won the war with the insurrectionist Stormcloaks without the Dovahkiin's help several times over.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:43 am

If the Empire was so great they would've won the war with the insurrectionist Stormcloaks without the Dovahkiin's help several times over.

The same can be applied to stormcloaks, they can't beat the empire without dovahkiin either, if you're saying that the empire is weak because they can't fight stormcloaks so is the stormcloaks.

I'm not saying the empire is as strong as in their glory day but at the least the Skyrim Empire legion is at the same strength as the stormcloaks then what would the whole empire be? Stronger than stormcloaks that's for sure.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:25 am

The same can be applied to stormcloaks, they can't beat the empire without dovahkiin either, if you're saying that the empire is weak because they can't fight stormcloaks so is the stormcloaks.

I'm not saying the empire is as strong as in their glory day but at the least the Skyrim Empire legion is at the same strength as the stormcloaks then what would the whole empire be? Stronger than stormcloaks that's for sure.

My argument isn't that the Stormcloaks are great, it's that they aren't inferior.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:40 pm

My argument isn't that the Stormcloaks are great, it's that they aren't inferior.

Then we can agree, the Empire is in disarray the stormcloaks on the other hand is new, currently the empire seems to be stronger, but given the time I'll say the stormcloaks may rival the empire especially if they changed their attitude towards magic or at least learn the thu'um.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:12 pm

I don't think the Empire is stronger. Infact everything in the game suggests that they're stuck in a stalemate.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:44 am

I don't think the Empire is stronger. Infact everything in the game suggests that they're stuck in a stalemate.

With the Skyrim legion yes they are at stalemate. however, the empire has more troops stationed elsewhere. It's just that they spreaded too thin if they can use all their forces then the stormcloaks would lose.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:19 pm

Exactly. The Empire isn't anywhere near its strongest. It doesn't have...
-Morrowind
-Hammerfell
-Valenwood
-Elsweyr
-Skyrim
-Summerset Isles
-Black Marsh

That leaves... Cyrodiil and Highrock.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:59 pm

Exactly. The Empire isn't anywhere near its strongest. It doesn't have...
-Morrowind
-Hammerfell
-Valenwood
-Elsweyr
-Skyrim
-Summerset Isles

That leaves... Cyrodiil and Highrock.

I'm not saying the empire is great heck if the dominion goal isn't to unmake the world I'll join them.

I'm saying that Skyrim Legion = Stormcloak

Skyrim Legion + High Rock Legion + Cyrodiil Legion >Stormcloak

However if the stormcloaks are given the time I believe that they can rival the empire or perhaps more.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:22 pm

There's no way that the Empire is going to send its soldiers in Cyrodiil and High Rock with how bad they got reamed. So basically, the Empire is no better off than if the Nords allied with Hammerfell, which seems pretty likely.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:53 pm

There's no way that the Empire is going to send its soldiers in Cyrodiil and High Rock with how bad they got reamed. So basically, the Empire is no better off than if the Nords allied with Hammerfell, which seems pretty likely.

Yep, I'm just saying statistically the Empire is stronger if they go on an all out war with no thalmor, and yes Skyrim + Hammerfell will make a good combination which is why I say if the stormcloaks are given time then they may rival the empire.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:45 pm

There's no way that the Empire is going to send its soldiers in Cyrodiil and High Rock with how bad they got reamed. So basically, the Empire is no better off than if the Nords allied with Hammerfell, which seems pretty likely.

Actually, we do not know that. Ulfrix says he must prepare for the Empire trying to reconquer Skyrim.

Spoiler

If the Emperor is in Solitudeduring the DB questline he will also refuse to march on the city before he leaves to avoid coming to war with Cyrodiil. It seems Ulfric know he could not win a war with the Empire if the Empire decided it was their top priority to take care of the rebellion.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:35 pm

Actually, we do not know that. Ulfrix says he must prepare for the Empire trying to reconquer Skyrim.

Spoiler

If the Emperor is in Solitudeduring the DB questline he will also refuse to march on the city before he leaves to avoid coming to war with Cyrodiil. It seems Ulfric know he could not win a war with the Empire if the Empire decided it was their top priority to take care of the rebellion.

We know it because the civil war is finished by the Dovahkiin choosing a side. Either side you choose, no reinforcements come to the Empire's defense.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:25 am

We know it because the civil war is finished by the Dovahkiin choosing a side. Either side you choose, no reinforcements come to the Empire's defense.

Because the game does not include the aftermath beyond just right after the civil war. We do not know of the Empire will send reinforcement to the soldiers left in Skyrim or if the Thalmor will send an invasion force, or even if Hammerfell is remotely interested in allying with Skyrim. Too assume that the Empire will not try to reconquer Skyrim based on what we know in the game is illogical.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:27 am

We know it because the civil war is finished by the Dovahkiin choosing a side. Either side you choose, no reinforcements come to the Empire's defense.

As Tdroid says it wasn't priority, if the emperor decides to make it top priority then stormcloaks would be finished they can barely handle Skyrim legions if reinforcement come? They're finished. At this point the empire as whole is stronger than stormcloaks.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:31 am

We see the events first hand. During the civil war, no reinforcements are sent. Infact when Ulfric wins, he isn't overtly concerned about reprisal outside of the camps in the hills.

Is it possible that the Empire will send reinforcements in a DLC? Yeah, but IMO that would detract from the story and drag you back to a part you've already done. I'd rather move onto gaining Hammerfell or fighting the Thalmor, personally.

» Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:45 am

We see the events first hand. During the civil war, no reinforcements are sent. Infact when Ulfric wins, he isn't overtly concerned about reprisal outside of the camps in the hills.

Is it possible that the Empire will send reinforcements in a DLC? Yeah, but IMO that would detract from the story and drag you back to a part you've already done. I'd rather move onto gaining Hammerfell or fighting the Thalmor, personally.

I really hope that that is the future DLC yes.