Khajiit players: I need answers : V - Skyrim

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:21 pm

As the dragonborn you have special right to enter city's, the first time you enter Whiterun you also have special rights for having news about Helgen. It is weird, but Nords seem to be a bit racist. As long as you are Dragonborn though you can have their respect. There aren't any Khajiit in holds, but one does own property. The lighthouse of Solitude is home to a Khajiit, he isn't very welcoming but, still.

I also don't believe it is against the law for a Khajiit to enter a hold, they just aren't trusted enough to own a home within the hold.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:37 pm

I f you want to be a Khajiit, the best faction to join is the DB. In the sense of them not allowed into cities this is the best, because the guild headquarters is located outside of city walls. A good home is Honeyside in Riften. With the exception of doing the initial quests to get the house, you never have to enter the city proper, because the house has direct access to the wilderness. This is also good for the thieves/assassins who may have a bounty, becuase the can slip home without being caught :biggrin:

That's how I justify it, because in all honesty, there is no cooler race than the Khajiit.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:55 pm

That makes little sense. The guards are all in the Thieves Guild's pocket anyway, so why should they have a problem with fences?

Riften's guards are in the thief guild pockets, not the other holds guards. No it does not explain why they are not allowed in Riften, might be fitting to add more Khajiit where, perhaps also an base for the caravans.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:48 am

Oblivion was a weird case by having a roughly even slice of every race being represented in the game. This could be handwaved by Cyrodiil being the cultural and geographical heart of the Empire, bordering every other nation. On the other hand, Skyrim is first and foremost the province of the Nords the same way Morrowind was that of the Dark Elves. It also happens to be on the opposite side of the continent from Elsweyr. Khajiits have no reason to inhabit the place in large numbers. Foreign trading caravans were a good way to give them at least some representation.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:14 pm

Orsimer get free acces to orc stronghold, i've read that other race have to do a quest to enter any orc stronghold.

I as a Khajit entered an orc stronghold yesterday without any problems or quests.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:25 pm

The only Khajiit I've seen inside a walled city was in Riften during the main quest,

Spoiler

but she tries to kill you like 20 minutes later anyway, pretty much reinforcing the stereotype. :confused:

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:06 pm

I as a Khajit entered an orc stronghold yesterday without any problems or quests.

Strange, according to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Orc :

"Gameplay

[...]

Orc players are automatically granted access to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Orc_Strongholds without having to complete http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Forgemaster%27s_Fingers quest."

But i've never checked myself, my orsimer chick is my first character

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:31 pm

Strange, according to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Orc :

"Gameplay

[...]

Orc players are automatically granted access to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Orc_Strongholds without having to complete http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Forgemaster%27s_Fingers quest."

But i've never checked myself, my orsimer chick is my first character

You can go in, but the orcs will not engage in proper conversation with you until the quest is finished.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:46 pm

You remind me of my cousin's cat. Killed that, too!

I've never had any issues with entering cities as a Khajiit. I think the fact that I'm Dovahkiin is reasonable enough.
Also, I wish there were Khajiit marriage options. I kinda laughed when some Nord chick said she was interested in my character. Like, why would you be interested in a cat?!

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:45 am

I tried playing both a Khajiit and an Argonian and just couldn't do it this time around. No one recognizes your race, not even the Khajiit caravaneers once commented on a fellow khajiit. I WANTED to play an outcast race and see how everyone treated me differently. I got no difference at all. Outside of a few snide comments hurled by attacking bandits from time to time, playing a beast race to be "different" is non-existent in Skyrim.

I WANTED for people to make remarks to my character. I wanted to be treated like a second-class citizen. Alas.... Actual NPC interactions based on your character never made it into the game.

A lot of guards give my Khajiit snide comments like "Is that fur, growing out of your ears!" But apparantly that is because of my werewolf blood and not because I am a Khajiit. Too bad, I kind of liked hearing it when I thought they were dissing on Khajiit.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:00 pm

The khajiit caravans aren't allowed in cities. Nothing prevent khajiit not associated with them from entering. It's the drug trade they don't approve of.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:33 pm

...How can you not feel awkward roaming the cities and taking on quests knowing that your race is not supposed to be in there?...

Oh, I just don't think about it. Much in the game makes no sense.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:17 pm

I think that it′s weird that if you join the stormcloaks, Ulfric won′t react if you′re an argonian or nord, despite the fact that he doesn′t even allow agonians into Windhelm...

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:01 pm

Okay I have visited all of the holds except for Dawnstar. I haven't seen any Khajiit in the cities. Only in the guilds. Are all Khajiit barred from entering the holds or is it just the khajiit caravans? I haven't seen any Khajiit in the towns either.

If its a case of all Khajiit being barred from entering the holds/towns, then how can you justify playing as a Khajiit?

How can you not feel awkward roaming the cities and taking on quests knowing that your race is not supposed to be in there? What makes you the exception?
And before you say its because you are dragonborn, let's remember that almost nothing you do affects the game world. In other words, they don't care that you are dragonborn, thane, arch mage, nothing.

I really wanted to play as a Khajiit but I felt I had no choice but to scrap the character once I spoke to the caravans and got opinions on the Khajiit from various citizens.

I'm not even sure why they made them a playable race this time. It would have made more sense to make the Forsworn a playable race instead!

It is called suspension of disbelief. You need it to be able to become immersed in a game world that does not exist. You need a double dose of it to remain immersed despite the internal contradictions that exist in the game world. The contradiction you mention about Khajiit not being able to enter cities is just one of many internal contradictions that distract from immersion. I personally play a Khajiit and I just don't think about the issue you mentioned, just like I pretend it is normal to have a magic Jack Sparrow compass with an arrow on it that always tells me where to go. Sure, you can turn off quest arrows (which is good) but the game world does not contain enough information to complete most of the quests without at least taking a peek at your magic compass every once in a while. Honestly, there are a great many other things I would rather have changed that I feel are more important than this issue.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:49 pm

The lack of distinction between races disappoints me as well. Even the Thalmor treat fellow Altmers like trash.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:06 pm

The problem is that you only get half the story when it comes to the Khajiit Caravan's - They are actually smugglers.

I think that it′s weird that if you join the stormcloaks, Ulfric won′t react if you′re an argonian or nord, despite the fact that he doesn′t even allow agonians into Windhelm...

There are twofold reasons for that -
1. You were at Helgen with him
2. You come with the highest recommendations from one of his Top Leiutenants, who's life you saved.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:50 pm

The caravans do mention that Skyrim is far and too cold for Khajits and that only ambitious merchants are willing to make the trip. As for the the Dovahkiin, well it's hard to not seek adventure when you have the soul and blood of a dragon.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:34 am

The caravans do mention that Skyrim is far and too cold for Khajits and that only ambitious merchants are willing to make the trip. As for the the Dovahkiin, well it's hard to not seek adventure when you have the soul and blood of a dragon.

By "Ambitious Merchants", they actually mean "Drug and Weapon Smugglers"

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:29 pm

The lack of distinction between races disappoints me as well. Even the Thalmor treat fellow Altmers like trash.

Yeah, that disappointed me more with my Altmer than anything that happened with my Khajiit.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:09 pm

Although I'm a Breton, The Khajiit are my favourite race in the game to meet. Simple honest travelling traders. I trust them more than most people in Skyrim and my Khajiit follower is a surprisingly tough little fella.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:37 pm

Why are Khajiit discriminated so much in Skyrim anyway? In Cyrodiil there was no problem.

Think gypsies. They are not welcome anywhere either.

Although I'm a Breton, The Khajiit are my favourite race in the game to meet. Simple honest travelling traders. I trust them more than most people in Skyrim and my Khajiit follower is a surprisingly tough little fella.

Ooohhhh, snap. You have no idea what ties they have and what shadowy businesses they hide behind a polite facade.

Spoiler

Ties with Thieves' Guild and Black Hand, skooma trade, moon sugar trade, fencing, murder, jollygagging and much much more...

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:20 pm

Why are Khajiit discriminated so much in Skyrim anyway? In Cyrodiil there was no problem.

Because the Jarls dismisses them as smugglers, thieves and skooma pushers ...

... which is sort of justified because you don't actually see them in any other professions in Skyrim.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:46 pm

Ooohhhh, snap. You have no idea what ties they have and what shadowy businesses they hide behind a polite facade.

I think he was being sarcastic.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:18 am

I dont play as a Khajiit but I do agree there have been some bad development decisions in this regard. I miss Oblivion's diversity. I feel like I have barely seen half the races. In Windhelm the Nords when pretty openly racist toward the Dunmer, why not take the same approach for the... cats.

Some of the lore actually hurts the game imo..

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:55 pm

I think he was being sarcastic.

I tjink he was being honest. They do seem really nice until you dig deeper.